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From: Daheavy
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Date: 12/18/2008 4:43:11 PM
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look i push the ball and i use full court press all it does is speed up the game when the other team scores your PG will just push the ball up the court fast and look for the first good shot now full court press is man to man full court so yoru following your man the whole game and it forces turnovers because they might get lazy and throw a dumb pass and because your guardin your man at all times a lazy pass will result in a steal = turnover. if u have a good pg with decent ball handlin skills u can use run and gun and push the ball, if your pg can dribble u will do well agaisnt full court press. all teams should be able to dribble and pass well if not full court press will kill u and pushin the ball would not be good for u

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64759.8 in reply to 64759.5
Date: 12/18/2008 4:45:51 PM
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about the quality of the shots, i would say a fast pace was better because slow paced tactic becomes often trouble with the clock which leads to pretty bad shots.


That is indeed true - thanks for mentioning it.

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From: acarl

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Date: 12/20/2008 1:43:59 AM
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so what you are saying is this:

for teams with a good PG, pushing the ball or run and gun will help since you will get more shots in the game

in regards to dealing with a team that uses push the ball, if you've got good defense, throw a full court press on them in order to mess them up and create turnovers

the way to beat a full court press is to make sure that your PG has good handling skills (dribbling)

Am I right so far?

What is the bare minimum requirement of stamina in the case of a FCP? How much handling does the PG need to have a good chance of beating the FCP? And what skills do my guys need to have to successfully push the ball?

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 12/20/2008 4:09:14 AM
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the way to beat a full court press is to make sure that your PG has good handling skills (dribbling)


you could also force around 10 TO from your bigguys, so you should have passing and handling in the whole team.

in regards to dealing with a team that uses push the ball, if you've got good defense, throw a full court press on them in order to mess them up and create turnovers


when you got a good defense, you could also defend their throws ... Which is in my eyes more promising, cause with a press you give then pretty much easy baskets and second chanche chanches.

From: acarl

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64759.11 in reply to 64759.10
Date: 12/20/2008 8:20:08 AM
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yeah, I see what you mean. It worked well tonight for me: I scored 130 points while my opponent didn't get above 80 points. I didn't get to watch the live fully, but in the first quarter, I watched one bit where I shot five times, missed the first 4, stole the ball back, and finally put it in. I'm wondering if a FCP will work well against the Great 8 leader and Great 8 3rd placer.

Any chance you would be willing to take a look at my match from tonight and compare how it changed my ratings as opposed to previous matches, and if it was the right choice for me?

From: acarl

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Date: 12/20/2008 8:35:49 AM
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another couple of questions for you:

when is it good to use a slower pace?

What is good about using a defense that is a slow pace? Does that force the opponent's pace to slow down as well?

Will FCP become more effective if the players have higher stamina?

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 12/20/2008 9:29:02 AM
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Any chance you would be willing to take a look at my match from tonight and compare how it changed my ratings as opposed to previous matches, and if it was the right choice for me?


you win the game clearly, so it should be the right choiche ;) 34 TO by the opponent was a genious amount, so the tactic definately worked out.

Then for normal you got around 20 TO, so maybe your team was perfect for a to, high OD cwenters and PF or your opponent has a team which has problems to handle the ball.

About the change of rating, search for the Manager JosefKA he made an "WhatIF" tool, which predicts your ratings with different tactics.

when is it good to use a slower pace?


I had to say that i am still a fan of fast tactics, because the amount of to didn't increase that much this season(ok normaly i got an pretty good offense flow), and i would say that i got a bit better shots. But normal pace get definately more atractive then last season, so i would play push the ball, Motion, Run and Gun and maybe base offense.


What is good about using a defense that is a slow pace? Does that force the opponent's pace to slow down as well?


I would say yes, but i don't see the different - so i choose the defense the way i need most.

Will FCP become more effective if the players have higher stamina?


I would say yes, it is hard to see the effect of stamina into the game ... But with FCP i usually got some trouble at the end, and i got an team with "low" stamina.


From: Daheavy

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64759.14 in reply to 64759.9
Date: 12/20/2008 9:01:04 PM
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make sure your team can all pass and its also good for your sg and sf to be able to dribble well just in case the pg got traped and had to pass to someone else but make sure your pg can dirbble well and your team ar good passers and u can beat fullcourt press

From: Weng Taz

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Date: 12/21/2008 4:30:41 AM
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i had a chance to meet up with a team wit PTB offense, i did putted full court press on them. eventually what happened is i did won the 1st 2 quaters and loss on the 3rd and 4th quarter. at the end i lost by 12 points. theoretically i think it has to do with the stamina. coz i also used the motion offense.

From: acarl

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Date: 12/21/2008 10:37:42 AM
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does the pace of the offense have an effect on the player's stamina too?

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64759.17 in reply to 64759.13
Date: 12/21/2008 3:01:34 PM
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I have also not noticed a difference in turnovers this season when playing faced paced - against a normal defense. On the other hand, I have noticed a significant difference when playing FCP against a fast paced offense. Again, I only have a few games to go by. It would be interesting to see more data.

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