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Personally, I say thank goodness they make it so hard to profit this way.The economic and training aspects of this game are excellent as they are, imo, and I dont think this was meant to be a basketball player stock market game (hence all the anti-daytrade elements). There are plenty of stock market type games out there, and they dont really interest me. I wanna play some basketball!

any1 else?

Last edited by Heathcoat at 1/14/2009 7:00:41 PM

I totally agree with you!!! I could say much more how bad and unfairfor the game daytrading is!!
I came here (apart that I like basketball more and later seeing better elements in BB than Hattrick) from Hattrick because of the Daytrading!!!

And even there they started take some measures about it (not enough IMHO) like you cant sell a player until he has played at least one game. I hope to see that in BB too.

But I will disagree with you in one point. BB does not make it hard to daytrade!!! I see everyday this thing going and ruining the economy and the game play. And people taking UNFAIR ADVANTAGE over the people wanting to play this game as it should be.

And I feel even more sorry about it when I see GMs explaining to new players how to do it instead of discouraging them and show them how the game should really be played.

I am not saying that it should not be a part of the game at all. But it should be restricted in such a way that people who daytrade should NOT get and ADVANTAGE (which they do now) over the people who play and make wins and advance or/and is making training strategies.
I have also have created a list that I record the daytraders!! and its getting bigger and bigger.


In order to do that BB could introduce the following:
1) a player cannot be put in TL more times than the games of his new team that he has played (like now in Hattrick)
2) Any player put in TL and sold with in one week from the day he was bought the player gets only the 50% of the _profit_ that he made (the extra money he took from the price he bought him)
Second week 65%, third 90%, fourth 100%

Seems to me that you have sold some aswell. Daytrading is based on idiots or new players who buy 2k salary guys for 150-200k. Now if everyone would smarten up the daytraders would be history:) I have one or two of those in my league. I would have never took the risks they take... Some people just like to play the markets, they might burn eventually or keep their fans unhappy. I myself keep my eye out for the cheap ones, but still the kind that in case of emergency they could play for me in some form. Keep in mind that a daytrader who get's stuck with his player for a week or has about 30 players on roster usually pays some of the difference back with weeckly wage, tax on sell and less fans coming to home games because of the constant roster change.

this game offers different opurtunities to paly that game, it is nothing wrong about to trade players ...

You get some advantage for trading but you also get disadvantage out of it, and with the transfer fee it is difficault i think to make that huge profits.

Ah yes :-) A recorded Daytrader.

You made about 250,000$ from daytrading just in the last 3 weeks (248,600$) averaging about 80,000$ per week!! And in these profits the 83,400$ profit is form just one player! And this not the heaviest daytrading I ve seen. Far from it.
And you lost from tickets how much? 10k$? 30k$ maximum

Now how one who is playing the game as it should be played (about game strategy, players strategy, training strategy etc) will be able to compete with you while you make at least double profit per week from what he is getting and so you can buy better and more expensive players?

No game strategy can win much better players! And this is an Unfair Advantage!
Maybe we should stop playing games and announce the champion the one who has the most money....

I am all for different opportunities and strategies in a game. But as far as they are balanced and they create equal chances but with just different way. Now you tell what other strategy could bring as much money as Daytrading?? None. Well that is what it makes it Unfair Advantage. Also people want to play this game and use their brain to be competitive and not spend all their day searching the Transfer List and click, click, click the buy and sell buttons just to keep up.
That is another Unfair "Opportunity".

Skills that should be needed to be competitive and to advance should be Strategy (games strategy, roster strategy, training strategy etc) and Management and this is what should be rewarded and not every day selling and buying. This skill could be used in a different game as it was mentioned in a previous post.

And I think IMHO calling this a "game opportunity" would be fair if you would not use it and then acknowledge it as such! I my self MIGHT be forced to use it as well (have not done it yet) just in order to stay competitive with the guys (hm hm) who use this "opportunity". But I will still cry AGAINST it and I will say that this is an unfair advantage and that it should be restricted further more - not eliminated.

And thats why I suggested these restrictions in my post above. So one could use this tactic either as a strategy either because he was in need for but the unfair advantage would be eliminated.

The players who play, win and advance due to brain work, choosing correct strategies and management should be rewarded more (much more) than any other "opportunity" in the game.
That is my feelings for a game that I loved it very fast and its growing.

This player
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/BBWeb/playerbox.aspx?PlayerID...
was bought and sold within 3 days. It made a 177,600$ profit for his seller!!!
In just 3 days! From just one player! Without any additional training obviously so one could justify his earnings after the work he had done!!!

I know a LOT of players who need 8 or more weeks to make this profit. So this is not a 2k salary player for a new players. I ve seen much worst cases. This is just a recent one I recorded.

That is unfair advantage and that is why it is destroying the game.

Ah yes :-) A recorded Daytrader.

You made about 250,000$ from daytrading just in the last 3 weeks (248,600$) averaging about 80,000$ per week!! And in these profits the 83,400$ profit is form just one player! And this not the heaviest daytrading I ve seen. Far from it.
And you lost from tickets how much? 10k$? 30k$ maximum

i just trade minute fillers, i use to give minutes in scrimmage so that my stars stay in a good shape unfortunately i just got 10 good players, who could help me that level i play.

But if you count that, don't forget i just get 76% of the money who is paid for my players thats reduces the revenue too. And with which player i earn 80k+$???

I don't know how much ticketing i loss,but in comparision to the middle season i amke 30-40k less per game, but i got many looses the game before but what is more important next season i am going to sell one or two of my trainees and even tehre my transfer fees are higher - so i will going to loose much money there two so i suppose i make no profit with those little selles i made the last days ;) But i got the categories that fans know my team even with normal transfer to a low value.

Now how one who is playing the game as it should be played (about game strategy, players strategy, training strategy etc) will be able to compete with you while you make at least double profit per week from what he is getting and so you can buy better and more expensive players?

Double profit, good joke :)

And i don't see that much untalented Daytraders winning national Championship so far, so maybe it ain't that superior like you think.

I looked at your league and you basically whine about your sides top team. He is trading like hell but his main cash has come from 850k sell and it seems that either the buyer was complete idiot as he selled it after that for ~250k. Seems a little 2 headed monster at first glance.
Yes day trading could be stopped by "player has to play one league game for the team". Are there any problems implementing this? dunno it's for the BB guys to figure out. Better cheater detecting and better general price knowledge should keep daytraders at bay even with current rules.
How come people still buy players for ridiculous prices. Someone has to buy the daytrader trash and sadly that's the average dumbo who has just gathered enough cast to check the TL:(

But if you count that, don't forget i just get 76% of the money who is paid for my players thats reduces the revenue too. And with which player i earn 80k+$???

Its 80% and I have counted that in your profits so they are net profits :-)

Jonas Waynen http://www.buzzerbeater.com/BBWeb/playerTransferHistory.a...

Was bought on 23 Dec 2008 for 197,000$. Was sold on 28 Dec 2008 for 312,000$ so:
312,000x80%=249,600-197,000=52,600
Misstyped the 5 for 8. My mistake ... but this was a good opportunity to show my new friend who started the thread how he can make a very easy 50k which he would make eerrmm in 4-5 weeks IF he manages he finances well.

But there is another one of your tradings this time with over 80K profit

Ivano Agostini (4628717) http://www.buzzerbeater.com/BBWeb/playerbox.aspx?playerID...

Was bought on 17 Dec 2008 for 76,000$. Was sold on 20 Dec 2008 for 200,000$ so:
200,000x80%=160,600-76,000=83,400

Like a good sales professional you are I see you keep god records of your profits :-) {/joke}

Double profit, good joke :)

And i don't see that much untalented Daytraders winning national Championship so far, so maybe it ain't that superior like you think.

Indeed :-) Pro and all day dedicated daytraders could make triple... :-)
Its a new game and you ll soon see the payments of the Daytraders' efforts with their team going fast on top. Check Hattrick for proof.

So from what I see you did nt understand my points and you still think its good thing... that is for the game? or just for you? ;-)

Last edited by Sosta at 1/18/2009 1:19:07 PM

The tax system in place has worked to drastically reduce daytrading.

Daytrading will never be stamped out completely, nor should we choke the economy to do so.

i pay higher fees, because i sold more players in the last 14 weeks, exactly i sold 14 player in this time ;) When this system Startet, my fee are lower then actually.

And i thought you mean the 80k in the last two week^^

PS: In ht the most div I teams, ain't traders so it isn't impossible to get on top without trading, maybe it is impossible to win the Master or the BB but there are also kamikaze Teams who did not trade.