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From: C-Cat

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Date: 4/8/2009 6:29:32 AM
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I agree, i think the national search on the Transfer List feature will definitely help but there is still not much out there. I'm sure most of us would much rather buy Aussie and only look else where if there is no other option...

If its a viable option to do as i suggested in my above post it could be well worth it for the future i recon. I don't know how the National Calendars work but between the two teams does it work out one is in competition and the other is playing scrimmages? if so the one playing scrimmages could sacrifice a bit of its Enthusiasm while its not needed.

Does anyone know the impact of adding and removing players to the enthusiasm for national teams? Is it effected by both? or just one or the other, if it only effects it removing players they could just float on the list until a suitable time to remove them.

From: Spooksy

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keeping these players in the system is a good idea but how long does a team have to be inactive before they become a bot? even the best young aussie players if they dont get training for say a quarter to half of a season wouldnt that put them behind? ie no longer national team material. perhaps a more experienced user can help me out?

and yea would like to know why hadders only took 7 players into the game, my center as well as many others in the team didnt get a run, no injures, strong game shape, no reason not play. not saying to play them for sake of playing them but wouldnt stamina and depth play a factor even in NT games? i did noticed we did much better in the second half too so cant really say it hindered us this game but what im getting as is is this a plausable tactic to adopt.

Last edited by Spooksy at 4/8/2009 8:14:44 AM

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Yeah, i'm really not sure what Hadders was doing on this game. Seems he isn't putting in the effort required at all needed for an U21 coach.

A quick look at all of Taiwan's previous games shows that they constantly play Motion/1-3-1 zone tactics.

A Look Inside/3-2 Zone for us and it's an easy win. Especially with the players that we have, looks like a massive difference in the teams going to our advantage.

From: LA-Niko
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Date: 4/8/2009 8:50:41 PM
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Yeah throwing a game for no reason seems a bit strange.

Hadders should really explain why...


But back to the discussion of the U21 team in general (this isn't going to be a slagging off thread)

I personally see the U21 team being a training area for new managers. What we need in a U21 coach is someone who is willing to help all of the managers of the young trainees in the team.

I think our U21 team should be ONLY 18 year olds. We don't really have to worry about winning. More important things like getting these 18 year olds trained as fast as possible.

I think I will put my hand up for the job in a couple of seasons time.

Creator of (http://www.buzzerbeaterstats.com) and (http://www.buzzerbeaternews.com/) -- Ex GM of Australia -- Division 1 winner of Italy Season 1 then moved team to Australia after the country was created by the BBs. Australian team manager for 2 seasons. Won various tournaments and division 1 titles in the following seasons.
From: J-Dog

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I think our U21 team should be ONLY 18 year olds. We don't really have to worry about winning. More important things like getting these 18 year olds trained as fast as possible.


Players dont train faster if they are on the u21 team do they? I still think we should put our strongest team forward or a team of players that could eventually be in the senior team. I also believe that it is the U21 coach job to identify the best young players and assist their managers that have these young players, like you said.

I like C-Cat idea of teams that may turn bot with young trained players added to the senior team so we dont loose them. does this also work if a bot team has a young player they are training, so when they are taken over the young player is put on the TL?

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What is the thinking behind having -only- 18 year olds on the team?

I don't think there is that much of a turn around on trainees being trained in Australia's relatively small player base at the moment that we could afford to only have 18 year olds trained.


J-Dog: you don't get any extra training from being on a national team but you do get extra experience for playing in the extra games

From: J-Dog

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Date: 4/8/2009 9:37:45 PM
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Thats what I thought. For extra experience we should still put players in the team that have the potential to go over to the senior team and focus on those players. So that may mean playing an 18 yo over a 21yo even tho the 21yo is subsantially better.

From: pete
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Date: 4/9/2009 12:02:03 AM
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I think that we also need a player data base centre where only the U/21 and NT coach can see all players that have been submitted which will make it easier to ick and choose players.
Here a good example which is used in Hattrick http://oceania.nattrick.ca
It has minimum requirement to not flood the system with useless players and it also can help a user train up a player correctly. I think that if we had something like that, it would go along way into improving our U/21 and NT heaps.

Last edited by pete at 4/9/2009 12:04:37 AM

From: LA-Niko

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Date: 4/9/2009 12:22:04 AM
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I was working on the new NT forums having the ability to send players to the NT Coaches... Unfortunately there is no information available about NTs on the BBAPI so my programming stopped for that part of the site.

I might add this idea into BBStats at some point when I get a break. I am flat out at work and uni at the moment so time is hard to find.

Creator of (http://www.buzzerbeaterstats.com) and (http://www.buzzerbeaternews.com/) -- Ex GM of Australia -- Division 1 winner of Italy Season 1 then moved team to Australia after the country was created by the BBs. Australian team manager for 2 seasons. Won various tournaments and division 1 titles in the following seasons.
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Date: 4/9/2009 12:49:22 AM
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I sent a bbmail to Hadders on tuesday morning regarding the Taiwan game.

His reply was that he was on holiday & put the team line-up in using an internet cafe.

The team that played wasn't what he wanted & was really dissapointed with what happened.

It looks like an error of some sorts & not Hadders fault.

Don't know if he's still on Holiday but I'm sure he will explain when he can.

Great to see people taking an intrest & getting involved in discussions. All suggestions are worth looking at & maybe implementing by the start of next season.


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Date: 4/9/2009 1:22:25 AM
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If i had the money and was gaining good profit each week i would look out for the young C/PF on the transfer list that i could train. But its really hard because a player with the right skills are usually out of my range.

Also regarding the draft i believe that the bottom teams with the top draft picks getting NT capable draftees with good potential and are either not training them properly or the manager loses interest in the game because they have been demoted.

Ive tried training young players week in week out and its hard when you have a set roster and training routine. And when you have NT players you are expected to train them to keep them in the team.

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