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Because those who log in often would have advantage over those who don't. And BB said many times they don't want that.

Plus all issues mentioned above. Say no to hattrick!.)

As long as the income from scrimmages is (significantly) less than Cup games, that wouldn't be a problem.

A big reason why I like the idea of a small income from scrimmages is that it promotes networking and outreach in the game. The more teams we play, and the more games we play, the more involved we become and the stronger the game could become.

So I like the idea of having scrimmages with a small income, split in half by the two teams. Maybe each team should make something like $10k (the same as the cost of scouting 2 players).

And for the teams that only have, like, 7 players, well you don't need to make money since you're saving so much by not paying for a roster with 12 or more players! What you save is more than what the income should be for a scrimmage.

That's my opinion, and my vote for a small income for scrimmages.

A big reason why I like the idea of a small income from scrimmages is that it promotes networking and outreach in the game. The more teams we play, and the more games we play, the more involved we become and the stronger the game could become.

best argument ever. right now I play the same guys over and over. there is no incentive (hey, who cares about chasing flags) to go and find players new players to interact with.

As to the guy having just 7 players.....that is SO atypical. how many pro or college teams have that few....

best argument ever. right now I play the same guys over and over. there is no incentive (hey, who cares about chasing flags) to go and find players new players to interact with.

As to the guy having just 7 players.....that is SO atypical. how many pro or college teams have that few....

That's a bit overstating but that's not atypical at all. When you have more players it is often the same. Add injured players sometimes teams have bad luck and are infested with injuries, then you don't want to or need to play a SC just because of that.

That being said i would like to have something like european basketball or soccer international competitions for each level - in arcade mode. The point is that you can't set scrimmages in advance, so that would make automatic profit for those who'd log in at needed time over those who don't. Not a big deal if with limited money but still not the way to go.

All the teams might not need training time... I agree. Every team though needs money. And money is a good motive to find a team and play a friendly match!
Also i proposed in order not to loose control the Income of scrimmages to be cut by half for both sides No matter who plays in and who plays out! Its a start... Others might have an other idea for that.Better... than mine.

Getting Less is better than getting nothing after all!

A friendly match is not been made only for fun, but to gain some extra training time.
To gain...

Why not gain some extra money as well?

So let's say scrimmages give you money. In that case everyone gains more money and the situation is basically the same for everyone (except the guys who have limited time), people make more money TL price goes up a little = nothing actually changes.
Only thing I can see is just starting IVdiv teams play scrimmages against divI team (friends) at home gaining more money based on attendance -> imbalance.
Scrimmages are made for training purposes only if you want to make money stay in the cup.
If you want to save up more money, when you drop out of the cup, sell you're extra players.

I basically agree with all of this.

You think, Juicepats, that what he is saying is true? ;) Lets try with some counter arguments..

So let's say scrimmages give you money. In that case everyone gains more money and the situation is basically the same for everyone (except the guys who have limited time), people make more money TL price goes up a little = nothing actually changes.

Sorry, but based on what? BB, like i said in my first reaction in this thread, can cut a little bit in the income from competition tickets and give it back via scrimmage income. I know, BB should be a game thats playable for everyone, also for ppl who dont have much time to logon. But by doing this, ppl who make some extra time to login on BB get a little (!) reward on thursday. Thats only a good thing i guess.

Only thing I can see is just starting IVdiv teams play scrimmages against divI team (friends) at home gaining more money based on attendance -> imbalance.

First the '@home' thing you are talking about; Nobody is saying that the home team should earn more than the away team. Actually a lot of times in this thread people opposed the opposite: split ticket revanue. So it should not be a problem, like in HT, to arrange a home-scrimmage.

The problem you see with playing as a 4th division against a 1st division is a good one. But seeing a problem, use it as a argument is not always enough. You also should know that there are some ways to solve it.

Lets say Div III plays against III: x amount is split 50/50 Div II against IV: 70/30. Div I against V 90/10

The bigger the difference in division the more the higher division team gets. No need to play against I-team as a V-team ;)

And thats not a disadvantage for the lower divisions, money wise. When ticketincome is payed by cutting a X percentage in the competition income, a higher division would earn a much lesser amount with competition ticketincome when 5% is cut from 200k than a division V team with 5% from 50k...So a I-division team should earn more money back with scrimmage tickets than a V-team

Scrimmages are made for training purposes only if you want to make money stay in the cup.

Offcourse it is now. Thats a fact, but apparantly not everyone likes how it is now. A scrimmage just for training purposes is far from reality. Every manager here has a proffesional ballclub. We buy players, we sell players, we all have sponsorships, we pay for our manager, our docter, we pay taxes, we even have a freakin union who debates about our player wages BUT we dont earn money with scrimmages. It just doesnt ad up! Its all like the real deal in BB, like a real profesional sportclub. But Every reallife profesional ballclub earns money in playing scrimmages, but not in BB. Just a small amount of money for scrimmage, cut from competitiongames, would make it more real. Not a big deal, more fun and more real. Why not?

Last edited by Maupster at 5/20/2009 3:12:56 PM

Actually, I'd put the money issue simpler.

Lower division teams have a lower income. $10k per scrimmage would represent a higher percentage of their weekly income than it would for a higher division team. And since weekly payroll is usually lower for lower division teams, the scrimmage income would go a longer way to covering costs. So even a straight up 50/50 split of the intake goes further in lower divisions than higher divisions.

Actually, I'd put the money issue simpler.

Lower division teams have a lower income. $10k per scrimmage would represent a higher percentage of their weekly income than it would for a higher division team. And since weekly payroll is usually lower for lower division teams, the scrimmage income would go a longer way to covering costs. So even a straight up 50/50 split of the intake goes further in lower divisions than higher divisions.

I have to agree that this is a point and nice idea how to help lower divs to catch up higher ones, cause 10k in div 1 makes no difference but it makes huge difference for div 4 teams. If we are thinking about long term planing.

Last edited by ZyZla at 5/20/2009 3:43:34 PM

Lets say Div III plays against III: x amount is split 50/50 Div II against IV: 70/30. Div I against V 90/10

Fantastic proposal...

Sometimes I wonder why so many sugestions "change for a sake of change" appears just before end of season when BBs obviously don't have much time because of draft etc. Oh I see 25% of teams don't play competitive games. And some can't wait till their list of draftees is available and ovethink meanwhile...