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So as a newbie you list him at 300k. Does that mean he can not be sold at 1,5? There would be more bids on players. Now are you proposing that all players tpe-s are way off and they actually sell much higher. You do know how tpe is generated right? Did he have tpe 300k with "he is probably better than all those players" added to it?
What are you proposing? list every player with TPE 300k for 1,5 mil? Because they are actually worth it?
I'm glad that you pointed this out, as it actually supports this suggestion. Newbies should use tpe, so list your player at 300k, it does not matter if you eventually (after a bid war) receive 800k, 1,2mil or 1,5mil. Now if you think you are all that supermanager and think you know about all the player prices: list your tped 300k at 1,5mil and GET THIS! he does not sell = then you pay player not sold tax, it prevents you from constantly listing him again at 1,5 mil for the months to come.

So as a newbie you list him at 300k. Does that mean he can not be sold at 1,5?

no, but when the tpe is often non existent or 500% off(maybe also in the other direction?), doesn't that mean that they know tit.

And for listning to low, you get propblem with the times zones etc. Take a look at this post, i found accidently today when going into "global" -> (135029.104)

I'm glad that you pointed this out, as it actually supports this suggestion. Newbies should use tpe, so list your player at 300k, it does not matter if you eventually (after a bid war) receive 800k

or loose their founds because they think he is worth 5* of it, and have to find the right price through testing it, or recognize after listening the player to low that they lost lot of money because he was worth much more.

Now if you think you are all that supermanager and think you know about all the player prices

currently i am not that manager, which makes yourr suggestion even more bullshit, as you heard i have one tpe'd player in my team. I normally had to ask my "transfer guru" to get an idea how much money i could get for my players when i sell them, not everyone have a transfer guru like me who they could ask. With buying the problem is smaller because you normally watch at more then one player, for selling i at least don'Ät have fun to plan this ahead 7-10 days to find the right comparision and get their final prices.

For average player there usually is a tpe to help you. Newbies rarely start with great players with and have that transfer problem.
Remember tax is 1% so paying 10k for listing your 300k player at 1mil does not actually kill you. It prevents you for doing it over and over again.
currently i am not that manager
I did not say you were that manager. But I know some of those exist, saying I know this player is worth this and that to me and keeps them on tl constantly high priced. Those players sell seldom, after misclick or some not so bright managers bid. It's a deliberate system abuse and that is something I want to stop. I can monitor some of the estonian leagues but not all of them and certainly not the whole bb.
It's easier to set this tax, then to assign a GM to certain number of leagues to monitor every team after 3 days.

so i am newbie cause i don't know the transfer prices exactly?

Your arguments just dont hold water.

Just because you are upset to see the same players over and over again - maybe it is you that should alter your transfer search options (put in max bid = price you are angry about seeing minus 100k)

You also consistently fail to take into consideration why managers sometimes will pay more and also why managers attempt to list at the speculative end of a meaningless TPE. Nationality of a player, player lacking a salary intensive skill such as RB/JR when its not vital for a position (could save 30-50k a week on some players), recent injury forces manager to make a purchase, rival manager is also bidding on the same player you anticipated buying, looming transfer deadline, ambitious managers buying to go deeper in cup tournaments, managers who received more from a recent sale than expected and are therefore happy to bid beyond where they first set their limit.

Lets give up on this idea of a tax and just let managers old and new decide what they want to list and pay.To say Newbies should follow TPE's (I assume this means that experienced managers shouldnt?) also makes little sense at all.

your right. you figured out many good arguments and i think there are quite more.
kukoc it is honorable that you want to help newbies. and for newbies i think this could be a good help so that they dont pay too much that often. i just remember when i was a newbie. it was pretty difficult to find out real prices for players. but that is what this game is about: finding out player values and then making a bargain. or failing and pay way too much for a player. this is something that happens from time to time. and as a manager, you grow with every decision you make. so its part of the game to find a balance. this is a disadvantage every newbie has to deal with and every veteran manager can take advantage of it. so its not like its to unfair, if you are new you have to make such experiences.
and if you list a player again and again, where is the problem? you always hope there is that one click, doesnt matter for how much you list him. everybody can do so and everybody can aswell be the happy or the unlucky one in this case.
furthermore, you always improve your team with buying a player. the price you buy him for is just a value that influences how quick your team advances. with every decision you make, you improve your managing skills and some newbies get that quicker, some need more time. its just a normal progress in a manger game.

Last edited by red_giant at 5/2/2010 1:33:12 PM

Your arguments just dont hold water.

Just because you are upset to see the same players over and over again - maybe it is you that should alter your transfer search options (put in max bid = price you are angry about seeing minus 100k)

You also consistently fail to take into consideration why managers sometimes will pay more and also why managers attempt to list at the speculative end of a meaningless TPE. Nationality of a player, player lacking a salary intensive skill such as RB/JR when its not vital for a position (could save 30-50k a week on some players), recent injury forces manager to make a purchase, rival manager is also bidding on the same player you anticipated buying, looming transfer deadline, ambitious managers buying to go deeper in cup tournaments, managers who received more from a recent sale than expected and are therefore happy to bid beyond where they first set their limit.

Lets give up on this idea of a tax and just let managers old and new decide what they want to list and pay.To say Newbies should follow TPE's (I assume this means that experienced managers shouldnt?) also makes little sense at all.

Co-signed. I would only add that despite all the flaws TPE is a good feature to have.

Why are you reading all the wrong stuff out of my posts?:(

Comon help me, what am I doing or writing wrong that all of you guys constantly miss the point of this suggestion.

Just because you are upset to see the same players over and over again - maybe it is you that should alter your transfer search options (put in max bid = price you are angry about seeing minus 100k)

It's not about my search options at all. I am monitoring some teams that keep exactly the same players constantly on TL high priced. Waiting someone to take a fall on them. Remember any player that will get a bid is not taxed.

Lets give up on this idea of a tax and just let managers old and new decide what they want to list and pay.To say Newbies should follow TPE's (I assume this means that experienced managers shouldnt?) also makes little sense at all.

Please understand now that I have no problem with how much anyone wants to pay for the player. But I want to make sure that anyone who lists the player, has a plan to actually sell him I'm saying that any player prolly over 5k salary mark will sell when listed at $1. So every time your player does not get sold, you have overpriced him. Now masse has argued with me that you can't use tpe to determine the right price (if you do not want to be taxed). So managers should use TPE or list them at $1 if they fear they might place the price too high.

Nationality of a player, player lacking a salary intensive skill such as RB/JR when its not vital for a position (could save 30-50k a week on some players), recent injury forces manager to make a purchase, rival manager is also bidding on the same player you anticipated buying, looming transfer deadline, ambitious managers buying to go deeper in cup tournaments, managers who received more from a recent sale than expected and are therefore happy to bid beyond where they first set their limit.

Any of the things listed here are not influenced by the new tax. As overbidders will lower their initial listing price.

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/2/2010 2:37:48 PM

Maybe you are missing all the points.

But I want to make sure that anyone who lists the player, has a plan to actually sell him

Why? It could be useful for other reasons. And if I want to put a palyer on TL not wanting to sell him, I can overprice him, why not? As long as I report if someone bid accidentally (come on how often that happens) there is nothing wrong with it.

And on the other hand why should be managaers pushed to sell players ASAP? If I don't want to sell a player for less than X because he is worth at least that for me it si completely fine. In this case I am eithe desillusional or sooner or later market evolves the way I can sell him for that price or someone needs such a players badly and I would be at the right place at the right time.

With the suggestion, market could become much more dead , silent and unpleasant place because it would be a buyers' market even more and that would lead to less amount of player on the market (with the exception of high salary players their clubs cannot afford to have anymore).

When something is working well it needs to be changed obviously, I don't get this.

Disclaimer - I'm not buying or selling much (as you can check).

I can overprice him, why not? As long as I report if someone bid accidentally (come on how often that happens) there is nothing wrong with it.

Accidental bids do not happen often but those highly listed players will get bid on by managers who are not very familiar with correct prices. You have a player worth about 1mil and you keep him listed at 2mil constantly, hoping some dumbo might bid on him. I find it against fair play and if it sells you gain an unfair advantage. There are plenty of managers who do not report their overpriced transfers. If there were no cheaters in this game we would not need to report anything. There were a lot of cheaters in Estonia for example. Now that we have got rid of most of the multimanagers and money transferers, it's time to move on to click fishers and overpricers. It would help to lessen GM work considerably.
I already said it does not influence the market, it hopefully removes the overpriced players or lowers their initial price. Decently priced players still keep selling like normal.
If you do not want to sell your player do not list him. If you want to get the best price for your player, list him at the most users online time and before playoff. Perhaps there are also more listers at that time and you might still not sell him at "your price" anyway.
I have no problem with managers that list a player (let's say 1mil value) at 2mil. He does not sell. Ok, I'll try at 1,5mil. Will not sell. Ok I'll try 1,1 mil. Sold. I have problems with managers that keep listing him at 2mil and will not sell for weeks/months. First manager pays 35k not sold tax and sells his player. Second manager get's 60k tax and hopefully has learned his lesson.
I know overpricing is a problem. Handleing the reports on those managers is a work load problem for GM-s. With this change we could actually get back that "report this transfer" addition.
If I sell one of my backups for 3mil after 3 weeks. It's not the correct price. I abused the system knowingly overpricing my transfer. Now I could get caught in my league as it is fairly active. But if noone notices or noone cares to report, I just call myself lucky and buy myself a new starter or 2.