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right, we have to see but how the game will see this difference between talents and scrubs. an 18 year-old draftee has 5k salary and also scrubs have such a salary.

for example i promoted to 2. division this year in 4 seasons. not a short time but not too bad also. last season i was in really difficult league with 2 or 3 teams with better squads than me. and i see that there are some other teams who are waiting for next seasons with a good amount of money in the bank. i had to make a quick decision and i sold my trainees and stopped arena expands. i bought some 28-30 year old players and tried to be champion. because most teams were older than me and have better finance also. it looks like to me that i will be there some seasons till my young players become real good players. that means 2-3 seasons. probably i am not a good manager to find better ways and better managers could do better things but anyway i decided so.

then, i finished my job and saw that it's more difficult to promote first division. i decided to make a "rebuilding" but a real one. when i decided to this, i didn't know anything about high gate receipts of tanker teams. i learned it later from our national forums when i asked a question. (as you probably notice) so, i am going to buy 3 draftees because i can afford only such young players. 20 year-old good-trained players are expensive for me. but there is a bad feeling after i read all of those debates about tankers that some managers will see me as a tankers and attack me i when i have some successes in future and will say that i am not deserving. also the game will detect me as a tanker, but no problem with that. because i will not buy players to reach the PSF even, instead of buying players i will expand my arena.

also i think that it's not always good comparing the game and the real life. again okc example, when durant came to this league he was a draftee but not a scrub. he easily dominated some games in a league like nba. but in game our draftees in first leagues are just scrubs till 21-22 years. yes there is no nba team with a 3-79 record but when they start rebuilding they have some good players although they are too young.

but for me tools like PSF are not bad, i can live with them and there can be more tools. but there are more and more managers who treat tankers liken an evil and even some start for witch hunts. that's not good. i know that you don't have such feelings. but even you say that "a few hundred bucks tanking teams earn weekly is totally an undeserved income". so, i can say that there are lots of teams earning some "undeserved money" without tanking. there is a real gap between first divison's income and others. people always emphasize on first divisions but there are also other leagues. beside day-trading maybe the only way to catch the oldies is tanking for newer teams. in countries like turkey, spain or italy, this gap and lack of ways to have a real domestic success can be seen easily. when you prohibit people from day-trading or tanking, you should serve some alternative instruments to them to survive with others. and these actions should be taken simoultaneosly and because of this i have some good feelings for some tankers because they looks like behaviour knights. (but not all of them) the game should be more dyinamic, however it becomes more and more statiic and causes to caste systems.

again, i am not against tools like PSF or other suggestion against tanking. but when we focus on this problem, we should also focus on other problems because they are related with each other imo.

regards.

Last edited by GM-incow sk at 4/20/2011 7:14:09 AM

BBs are smart guys and this is just a piece of cake for them..
first of all, a rebuilding team doesn't lose all the games by +50 if it's rebuilding for the same division..
training 18-19 year-olds and selling all the strong players is not a way to rebuild for a top division team..
it should keep an average squad to get a few wins and protect it's fan base because nobody would want to watch a game when he knows his team will lose by +50..
you can do this in a third division and you can get some wins, so it's a rebuilding usual for a third division team..
training 18-19 year-olds in a top division without feeding any supporting figures is not rebuilding..

I have different opinion about rebuilding and recognizing that.
- it is possible that there are no such players for sale or even exists in BB, so you have only one option, train those from scratch.
- if you believe that you need such players which doesn't exists, you might be ready to focus on training even if you will not be able to compete in current division. Then if you are not able to compete, why not sell all other players also. Those players will be too old and wrong skill set when your training program is ready.
- so your target can be in highest divisions even if you start training 18-19years old players...

Of course I agree that it's weird and not right that fan and arena income remains so high if you are focusing on training only.

PS. I'm not going to say what kind of players I'm not able to find or even doesn't exists ;)

Last edited by Codemasters at 4/20/2011 8:04:13 AM

Hey Charles...What happens to teams under the floor? There seems to be two teams in the JBBL quitting the game but have 5 weeks until they go bot...Do they get 25-0's even though they only have 3 players(only new draft picks)?

Why should they? Know the rules.

It looks to me it's good to tank in a small country and not tank in a big country. Seems a bit unfair.