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203956.71 in reply to 203956.68
Date: 12/17/2011 7:46:58 PM
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The part of all this realignment that really kills me is the dissolution of the Big East. Watching the battle royale that takes place in this conference during the months of January and February is the highlight of my sports year, March Madness excluded.

As a Cincinnati fan, I can't help but agree with you. Losing WVU, Pitt & Syracuse and replacing them with SMU, SDSU, Boise State and Houston (with Navy and perhaps Air Force a few years down the road) isn't my idea of a great basketball conference, even if it might be kind of even in football. No wonder UConn has been shopping themselves around to the Big12.

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203956.72 in reply to 203956.71
Date: 12/18/2011 12:10:27 AM
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As a Cincinnati fan, I can't help but agree with you. Losing WVU, Pitt & Syracuse and replacing them with SMU, SDSU, Boise State and Houston (with Navy and perhaps Air Force a few years down the road) isn't my idea of a great basketball conference, even if it might be kind of even in football. No wonder UConn has been shopping themselves around to the Big12.


No team is getting more screwed over in realignment than Cincinnati is. 2 BCS bowl games in the last 4 years and over $100 million in facility upgrades doesn't even get them an invite out of the hellhole the Big East has become.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to Cincinnati, Louisville, and the non-football schools in the Big East. I can't imagine these schools being happy with the state of the conference, especially if West Virginia and UConn jump ship.

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203956.73 in reply to 203956.72
Date: 12/18/2011 11:44:49 AM
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What I don't understand about the NCG is how even if Alabama wins, LSU had a better season. Ugh.

Either go plus 1, like this: [Note: Not my idea, find here -> http://mgoblog.com/content/annual-complaint-against-stupi...]

RESTRICTED FIELD. No 9-3 teams. Maintain as much of the importance of the regular season as possible. Keep out anyone who could win three straight and still reasonably have an AP vote go against them.

HOME GAMES. Helps with attendance, prevents people from having to travel multiple weeks, helps maintain importance of regular season, makes the guys at the bottom wade through a tougher task and helps bolster their pile-of-skulls argument.

BYES. Again, importance of regular season and pile-of-skulls argument.

NO AUTOBIDS, MAX TWO TEAMS PER CONFERENCE. Autobids can suck it. So can third place teams in their own conference. Also no first round intraconference matchups.

FINAL AT THE ROSE BOWL. Iconic. Would become one of the great traditions in American sports.

This year's version based on the final BCS standings:

1. LSU vs winner of 4. Stanford and 7. Boise State
2. Alabama vs winner of 3. Oklahoma State and 5. Oregon

Arkansas is left out because of the two-teams-per-conference rule; Boise and Oregon flip to prevent a conference matchup. The first two games would be last weekend with the second round on January 1st (2nd this year) and the final a week after. Anyone outside of the final four can go to whatever bowl they want, so this hardly touches the bowl system. The net result is removing one BCS bowl in favor of the playoff.

An eight team version of this is less ideal but also acceptable; that would see Kansas State and Wisconsin on the road in the first round against the SEC teams. Autobids are awful. Clemson and West Virginia can win three straight games here and still not be as worthy as LSU.
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Or go with top 10 teams in BCS with 2 per conference if it comes up, #11 gets in, top 2 bye.

Last edited by Panic at 12/18/2011 11:46:55 AM

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203956.74 in reply to 203956.73
Date: 12/18/2011 10:23:43 PM
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Not taking away from the rest of your post, but the last part about 10 teams in a playoff wouldn't work if the top 2 get byes. That would leave 6 teams in the second round. 12 teams would work with the top 4 getting byes, although I think all of those are too much. I like your 6 team idea with the top 2 getting byes though.

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203956.75 in reply to 203956.74
Date: 12/18/2011 11:10:36 PM
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If it were up to me I'd have a 16 team playoff . With auto bids for all 11 FBS conferences(only to be fair, all FBS conferences should have a chance at the title) and at large bids for the top 5 highest ranked remaining teams in BCS poll. That would make a fair exciting and money generating playoff. The two rounds could be played at the home of higher ranked teams and then final four and championship could be played at neutral site places like the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, etc.

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203956.76 in reply to 203956.74
Date: 12/20/2011 10:43:21 AM
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*facepalm*

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203956.79 in reply to 203956.78
Date: 12/21/2011 11:04:01 AM
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You have a serious conspiracy theory issue...after reading your last paragraph I'm surprised you didn't mention any other top programs ;). I think OSU is worse than UNC, but less severe than Miami and USC...Penn State, although their issues are far more sickening, are not going to get punishment as it was not an NCAA violation, it was a TERRIBLE violation against human rights and the LAW. If schools got punished for getting arrested then LSU, Florida, Oregon, and others would have been screwed a long time ago. Do I necessarily agree with this? I don't know, but I do know that Penn State's program will be in worse shape because of this occurrence than will Ohio State's.

Now as for OSU, they KNEW when the punishment was coming, however they CHOSE not to levy they bowl ban out of arrogance. Gene Smith should have sat out this year's bowl game but was cocky enough to think they wouldn't get a bowl ban.

Also, You are misconstruing what the NCAA actually handed down just because of the side affects of the cheating. There is only a 1 year bowl ban. Where do you get 2? Again it is pretty ridiculous stating that this season is a bowl ban when A. you are going to a bowl and B. the players that cheated got suspended for cheating. This happens in every case. If a player is caught, they are suspended and in UNC's case they lost better players for longer and all because of agents. I find it hard to complain about this.

As for how much in extra benefits the players got, it is actually close to $15k accounting for the MULTIPLE players that were found to be paid money for hours they did not work. This is the same as handing them cash. Add in the $200 hand shakes and you get 3 SEPARATE occurrences...this played heavily into the NCAA decision.

Now, what you are ignoring is the biggest part of the scandal and that is the cover up and the fact that more came out later which caused the NCAA to hit them with "repeat violator" status. Tressel got what he deserved. a 5 year "show cause" penalty is correct and he isn't even appealing. I am surprised you aren't happy that the man that caused you the bowl ban and the loss of 9 total scholarships is being punished. Too often the coaches get off without anything happening, I for one am glad Tressel did not. The fact that you got a failure to monitor, repeat violator, and covered it up, should make you feel lucky that only 9 scholarships and 1 year of bowls was lost. When it all comes down to it, THAT'S IT. The individuals were punished because of dumb decisions and now the school is for their lack of honesty and "control" so to speak. Yes 3 years probation, BUT what does that actually mean? Not much except don't do anymore cheating for 3 years or you're screwed! lol Sure they took away the wins, but in the grand scheme of things you and all other buckeye fans know you won those games and it wasn't a NC that was lost...that's the only time I think vacated wins hurts.

The reason why I think the punishment was either about right or less severe than I thought (Can't decide) is all because of one issue: Tressel and the players tried to pull a fast one on the NCAA. OU had 2 players get paid for hours they didn't work (Bomar and a lineman that I can't remember), but OU found out themselves, SELF REPORTED, kicked both players off the team, and came clean about it. Since the NCAA's investigation found nothing else wrong they stripped them of the entire season and bowl win. However because of the fact that they were HONEST OU appealed and got all wins back for that season. It's all a matter of honesty, and OSU didn't have that in the beginning.

In the grand scheme of things, this won't hurt OSU. When Miller is a junior they will compete for the Big Ten championship just as USC will next year. The players have been flocking with Urban there and so there is no reason to be frustrated with the NCAA because OSU has nobody to blame but themselves...

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203956.80 in reply to 203956.79
Date: 12/21/2011 11:17:15 AM
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As for your rant about the SEC....you are probably right that it happens everywhere, but the NCAA can't investigate every kid that has a nice thing or drives a nice car...they don't have the money or the man power and it is all speculation...has to be something substantial. They investigated the Cam Newton thing and believe it or not, Auburn was clean. I live in SEC country and HATE the SEC fans and teams...loathe them, but Miss St. was the one that offered money...now why haven't they been punished? I dunno, I guess because no money changed hands?

The fact you bring up cars is funny since TP had a different one every other week and nothing ever happened to OSU with the car dealership....which was a shock to me considering a fair amount of players were involved. They just couldn't find the paper trail or hard evidence, but when TP drives away in a sweet ride with dealership tags while on camera, everyone knows what's going on you just have to be able to prove it, and the NCAA couldn't in that case. Sure your argument is going to be "well if they couldn't prove it then they did nothing wrong." However isn't that the exact same argument Alabama fans would use? Yet, you are calling them out for cheating because you aren't happy with what happened to your school.

Now, how in the world are you going to throw Mark Richt under the bus???? He was trying to compensate people fairly and what he did was an act of kindness, not an egregious act of trying to knowingly cheat. What competitive advantage did he get? He was still given a secondary violation, which by the rules, is all he was supposed to get.

Man I know you are mad because your program did some dumb things, but I think slinging mud at other programs isn't the way to go....just makes you look bitter. lol

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