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For average player there usually is a tpe to help you. Newbies rarely start with great players with and have that transfer problem.
Remember tax is 1% so paying 10k for listing your 300k player at 1mil does not actually kill you. It prevents you for doing it over and over again.
currently i am not that manager
I did not say you were that manager. But I know some of those exist, saying I know this player is worth this and that to me and keeps them on tl constantly high priced. Those players sell seldom, after misclick or some not so bright managers bid. It's a deliberate system abuse and that is something I want to stop. I can monitor some of the estonian leagues but not all of them and certainly not the whole bb.
It's easier to set this tax, then to assign a GM to certain number of leagues to monitor every team after 3 days.

so i am newbie cause i don't know the transfer prices exactly?

Your arguments just dont hold water.

Just because you are upset to see the same players over and over again - maybe it is you that should alter your transfer search options (put in max bid = price you are angry about seeing minus 100k)

You also consistently fail to take into consideration why managers sometimes will pay more and also why managers attempt to list at the speculative end of a meaningless TPE. Nationality of a player, player lacking a salary intensive skill such as RB/JR when its not vital for a position (could save 30-50k a week on some players), recent injury forces manager to make a purchase, rival manager is also bidding on the same player you anticipated buying, looming transfer deadline, ambitious managers buying to go deeper in cup tournaments, managers who received more from a recent sale than expected and are therefore happy to bid beyond where they first set their limit.

Lets give up on this idea of a tax and just let managers old and new decide what they want to list and pay.To say Newbies should follow TPE's (I assume this means that experienced managers shouldnt?) also makes little sense at all.

your right. you figured out many good arguments and i think there are quite more.
kukoc it is honorable that you want to help newbies. and for newbies i think this could be a good help so that they dont pay too much that often. i just remember when i was a newbie. it was pretty difficult to find out real prices for players. but that is what this game is about: finding out player values and then making a bargain. or failing and pay way too much for a player. this is something that happens from time to time. and as a manager, you grow with every decision you make. so its part of the game to find a balance. this is a disadvantage every newbie has to deal with and every veteran manager can take advantage of it. so its not like its to unfair, if you are new you have to make such experiences.
and if you list a player again and again, where is the problem? you always hope there is that one click, doesnt matter for how much you list him. everybody can do so and everybody can aswell be the happy or the unlucky one in this case.
furthermore, you always improve your team with buying a player. the price you buy him for is just a value that influences how quick your team advances. with every decision you make, you improve your managing skills and some newbies get that quicker, some need more time. its just a normal progress in a manger game.

Last edited by red_giant at 5/2/2010 1:33:12 PM

Your arguments just dont hold water.

Just because you are upset to see the same players over and over again - maybe it is you that should alter your transfer search options (put in max bid = price you are angry about seeing minus 100k)

You also consistently fail to take into consideration why managers sometimes will pay more and also why managers attempt to list at the speculative end of a meaningless TPE. Nationality of a player, player lacking a salary intensive skill such as RB/JR when its not vital for a position (could save 30-50k a week on some players), recent injury forces manager to make a purchase, rival manager is also bidding on the same player you anticipated buying, looming transfer deadline, ambitious managers buying to go deeper in cup tournaments, managers who received more from a recent sale than expected and are therefore happy to bid beyond where they first set their limit.

Lets give up on this idea of a tax and just let managers old and new decide what they want to list and pay.To say Newbies should follow TPE's (I assume this means that experienced managers shouldnt?) also makes little sense at all.

Co-signed. I would only add that despite all the flaws TPE is a good feature to have.

Why are you reading all the wrong stuff out of my posts?:(

Comon help me, what am I doing or writing wrong that all of you guys constantly miss the point of this suggestion.

Just because you are upset to see the same players over and over again - maybe it is you that should alter your transfer search options (put in max bid = price you are angry about seeing minus 100k)

It's not about my search options at all. I am monitoring some teams that keep exactly the same players constantly on TL high priced. Waiting someone to take a fall on them. Remember any player that will get a bid is not taxed.

Lets give up on this idea of a tax and just let managers old and new decide what they want to list and pay.To say Newbies should follow TPE's (I assume this means that experienced managers shouldnt?) also makes little sense at all.

Please understand now that I have no problem with how much anyone wants to pay for the player. But I want to make sure that anyone who lists the player, has a plan to actually sell him I'm saying that any player prolly over 5k salary mark will sell when listed at $1. So every time your player does not get sold, you have overpriced him. Now masse has argued with me that you can't use tpe to determine the right price (if you do not want to be taxed). So managers should use TPE or list them at $1 if they fear they might place the price too high.

Nationality of a player, player lacking a salary intensive skill such as RB/JR when its not vital for a position (could save 30-50k a week on some players), recent injury forces manager to make a purchase, rival manager is also bidding on the same player you anticipated buying, looming transfer deadline, ambitious managers buying to go deeper in cup tournaments, managers who received more from a recent sale than expected and are therefore happy to bid beyond where they first set their limit.

Any of the things listed here are not influenced by the new tax. As overbidders will lower their initial listing price.

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/2/2010 2:37:48 PM

Maybe you are missing all the points.

But I want to make sure that anyone who lists the player, has a plan to actually sell him

Why? It could be useful for other reasons. And if I want to put a palyer on TL not wanting to sell him, I can overprice him, why not? As long as I report if someone bid accidentally (come on how often that happens) there is nothing wrong with it.

And on the other hand why should be managaers pushed to sell players ASAP? If I don't want to sell a player for less than X because he is worth at least that for me it si completely fine. In this case I am eithe desillusional or sooner or later market evolves the way I can sell him for that price or someone needs such a players badly and I would be at the right place at the right time.

With the suggestion, market could become much more dead , silent and unpleasant place because it would be a buyers' market even more and that would lead to less amount of player on the market (with the exception of high salary players their clubs cannot afford to have anymore).

When something is working well it needs to be changed obviously, I don't get this.

Disclaimer - I'm not buying or selling much (as you can check).

I can overprice him, why not? As long as I report if someone bid accidentally (come on how often that happens) there is nothing wrong with it.

Accidental bids do not happen often but those highly listed players will get bid on by managers who are not very familiar with correct prices. You have a player worth about 1mil and you keep him listed at 2mil constantly, hoping some dumbo might bid on him. I find it against fair play and if it sells you gain an unfair advantage. There are plenty of managers who do not report their overpriced transfers. If there were no cheaters in this game we would not need to report anything. There were a lot of cheaters in Estonia for example. Now that we have got rid of most of the multimanagers and money transferers, it's time to move on to click fishers and overpricers. It would help to lessen GM work considerably.
I already said it does not influence the market, it hopefully removes the overpriced players or lowers their initial price. Decently priced players still keep selling like normal.
If you do not want to sell your player do not list him. If you want to get the best price for your player, list him at the most users online time and before playoff. Perhaps there are also more listers at that time and you might still not sell him at "your price" anyway.
I have no problem with managers that list a player (let's say 1mil value) at 2mil. He does not sell. Ok, I'll try at 1,5mil. Will not sell. Ok I'll try 1,1 mil. Sold. I have problems with managers that keep listing him at 2mil and will not sell for weeks/months. First manager pays 35k not sold tax and sells his player. Second manager get's 60k tax and hopefully has learned his lesson.
I know overpricing is a problem. Handleing the reports on those managers is a work load problem for GM-s. With this change we could actually get back that "report this transfer" addition.
If I sell one of my backups for 3mil after 3 weeks. It's not the correct price. I abused the system knowingly overpricing my transfer. Now I could get caught in my league as it is fairly active. But if noone notices or noone cares to report, I just call myself lucky and buy myself a new starter or 2.

You are rejecting that other users have the right to evaluate players differently than you that's the problem. Martket is evolving and prices are not stable. Different teams have different needs, different structure and values different things differently.

You have a player worth about 1mil and you keep him listed at 2mil constantly, hoping some dumbo might bid on him.

I certainly don't. You should appologize.

If you do not want to sell your player do not list him

It is allowed by the rules so why I shouldn't list any player I want? As the players is mine at the time, I have every right to reveal his skills this way if I want. I don't use it that way but I can imagine situations where it could be useful (and wouldn't have any realtion to transfer). This game provides more than one way to success and I don't think unnecessary limitation reducing diversity of possible moves in the game should be added at all.

1 million is relatively small differnec in certain players, if we rule out a bit useless oplayers who could be sold at 1M at best.

Most importantly - manual is at times not updated, few important things were announced by news only (now lost). If I was a newbie putting a player market with a bit optimistic price and would be taxed for that as a surprise (no matter whether I could read about somewhere or not, people regularly ask about basic things) it would be very dissapointing. I'm afraid such a feature would make new users "mortality" higher than it is now which I'm sure is not in Buzzerbeaters interest. And I know myself I would think twice whether I want to paly a game which wants me to know specific correct value of a player before listing him on TL - because otherwise I would make a suboptimal move hurting my team more or less. Excluding that with changing prices such a thing is impossible and with dvelopped players even experinced managers like for example Crazy-Eye are not confident waht the price range of particular players are. This would change the market, change the perception of the game for questionable benefits at best.

You have a player worth about 1mil and you keep him listed at 2mil constantly, hoping some dumbo might bid on him.

This was not about you... it was an example.

This game provides more than one way to success and I don't think unnecessary limitation reducing diversity of possible moves in the game should be added at all.

So you are saying taxing daytraders is wrong aswell? If you want to let people know about your players skills, why not bb-mail them.

1 million is relatively small differnec in certain players

Do you even understand what an example is?

a bit optimistic price

What is your understanding of a bit optimistic price? BTW if you had read this suggestion thoroughly you would have known that I suggested keeping newbies free of tax for the duration of 50k bonus weeks.

specific correct value

You are making this look like if you do not exactly hit the mark you will die horrible death of bankrupcy. Comon now. If you are uncertain of the player value, list him at the lower end of TPE, if you do not have TPE, make a transfer list search with similar skills, find player that has been bid on and list him at that price or little below. Your game is not over when you do not receive absolute maximum price or a bit over for your player. This tax does not touch players listed for correct value or lower (as those players will be bid on). What do you recon is the average listing value? 300k, 500k, 1mil? Even if it would be at 1mil, 10k tax will hardly bankrupt anyone. Doing this over and over again (2 times a week for 2 months) makes it roughly 160k tax. That's enough to prevent someone from fishing.
I think a new player will rather quit after knowing he blew all his first season earnings on a crappy player. He will not quit because of this small tax that will probably not even influence him.

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/2/2010 6:41:15 PM