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I will immediately resign in Embarassment if there are any forfeits under my tenure.

I'd like to point the obvious: resigning is not possible. You're coach for two seasons no matter what unless you go bot. Question for all - will you as the candidate promise to take the ultimate dive and go bot in case of:

1. A forfeit
2. At least two former U21 coaches ask for your head*
3. There less than two 13/13/13 bigs at that start of a World's season, indicating that your scouting network sucks eggs
4. You CT a game that's not at the end of the season
5. You play FCP
6. You lose to France


*Yes, we have an exclusive U21 alum club with meetings, dues, bowling nights, the works. Yer gonna love it when you retire. Unless we ask for your head. Then it's gonna be awkward having you around.

1. Yes
2. I think i'm experiencing that already am I not?
3. Yes
4. So you'd rather lose a game and be in the consolation, rather than win the game, move on, but then need some small degree of luck, in an effort of winning the whole thing? You'd prefer the "wait till next year" approach?
5. FCP is pointless unless you have a team built for it, which we do not.
6. Just out of curiosity why France in particular?

Jason. As a GM, are you able at all to look up the win %s of my previous user names? Are the data of those stored somewhere?

No, but you can go back to your old league, and find your team, in the Season you played in and figure out your cumulative record from there.

Would 3 straight 20 win seasons, over 5 years ago, before bot promotiong out of D. V (when there were multiple humans in D. V) make me more qualified in the eyes of the masses?

Not at all. In fact, not even a little bit. It took you multiple seasons in D5 to promote, and when you finally did you bot promoted? Sorry dude, that is not impressive at all.

Or is 9-15 in a league that had 12 managers active almost daily for the entire season, in a division where I play against jamey olivas (u21 alum) twice a season. Where multiple teams had singular players alone that had a higher salary than my entire team did.
(87783777)

You crunched that game! LOL

... But yet, it's perfectly acceptable to tank and go 0-22 to make money?

At the end of the day, BuzzerBeater is a Financial game/sim...sometimes Tanking is a valid strategy.

*Yes, we have an exclusive U21 alum club with meetings, dues, bowling nights, the works. Yer gonna love it when you retire. Unless we ask for your head. Then it's gonna be awkward having you around.

That would be enough to make anybody take the ultimate dive and go bot.


Last edited by A-Dub at 2/16/2016 11:41:29 PM

A question for any and all, if you were setting a lineup who would you choose?

Player A
7/3/5/1/4/6 - 14/14/12/6

Player B
7/1/7/9/8/5 - 12/13/12/13

Player C
4/1/4/1/4/4 - 15/15/15/2

At least make them somewhat close in TSP because most the time you choose the player with more TSP.

What can I say
Tanking has been a popular strategy (and effective) on BB for as long as I've been around. 20+ seasons later, and tanking is still a better strategy, and more acceptable, than trying to be competitive.

Cannot control who relegates down from higher division due to tanking, just to buy a team to go 22-0 and promote again. It happens every season in a lot of leagues. fairly regularly.

So yeah, I do pale in comparison being a guy that tries to "out manage people" in BB. BB is not "persay" a BB management sim as one would think. But I just don't care to play it as a financial/economic sim. If I wanted a financial/economic sim, I'd bust out my old apple computer and play lemonade stand.

edit:
Now let me ask you, as U21 coach, what matetrs more? Financial sim management skills? or being able to out-manage other managers, and beat teams you shouldn't beat, due to better scouting, better GDP guessing, better roster switches, and defensive switches, etc. Better "Gameplanning"?

And oh Yeah, not letting teams that shouldn't beat you, beat you.

Last edited by EightPackKilla at 2/17/2016 12:06:24 AM

To all the candidates - will you make use of the USA Offsite/BB-USA and if so, how exactly will you use it for purposes of the running the team?

Short and sweet answers for you sir:
Yes.
It will be used as a hub of communication, where everyone involved, or curious about it, that is registered to the off-site, will have access to the same information we do, and be on the same page as to what we're doing, and why we're doing it, and how we plan to do it.

If memory serves me... this was a real scenario that happened...

More than happy to take criticism for the forfeits/lack of effort. I should have never ran for a second term.

But the criticizing basing U21 on inside builds is just insane. It ignores blant truths about how buzzerbeater works. Those cute 12/12/12/12 builds with ok guards skills don't really work when Italy and other U21 giants can putting guys up 17-18+ IS/ID. Please look at Italy and tell how how they designed their Gold Medal winning team this year. They did it by putting high amounts of IS and ID on the either bigs. Show me one gold medal winning team that based their team around something other than inside. To say that we havent been successful using inside is revisionist history. If it wasn't for a shitty manager (me), we would have had a gold medal at Americas last season running inside as our main offense and a nice run at Worlds. Instead we secured HCA at Americas, guess what using inside offense.

More than happy to take criticism for the forfeits/lack of effort. I should have never ran for a second term.

But the criticizing basing U21 on inside builds is just insane. It ignores blant truths about how buzzerbeater works. Those cute 12/12/12/12 builds with ok guards skills don't really work when Italy and other U21 giants can putting guys up 17-18+ IS/ID. Please look at Italy and tell how how they designed their Gold Medal winning team this year. They did it by putting high amounts of IS and ID on the either bigs. Show me one gold medal winning team that based their team around something other than inside. To say that we havent been successful using inside is revisionist history. If it wasn't for a shitty manager (me), we would have had a gold medal at Americas last season running inside as our main offense and a nice run at Worlds. Instead we secured HCA at Americas, guess what using inside offense.

Well, FurySK seemed quite bothered that I have not specifically responded to this... so my response will be that discussion, since he feels that everything should be out in the open for everything.

00:21 <FurySK> no response to that phyr post i guess?
00:21 <EPK> I only criticzing the forfeits. so it's not directed at me
00:21 <FurySK> it is
00:21 <FurySK> you bashed him in 10 different posts
00:21 <FurySK> and then aaron bashed him
00:21 <FurySK> should've seen this one coming
00:21 <EPK> I bashed the forfeits.
00:22 <FurySK> lol
00:22 <FurySK> backing off now
00:22 <FurySK> like it isn't your problem
00:22 <EPK> he accepted responsibility for it. what more needs said
00:22 <FurySK> you've been saying things every other post
00:22 <FurySK> so clearly something has to be said
00:22 <EPK> and it was.
00:22 <FurySK> when the going gets tough, epk goes.
00:22 <EPK> what MORE needs to be said
00:23 <FurySK> i'm sure when he goes back to his hobbit hole you'll keep trying to bash it too.
00:23 <FurySK> i just wish you would've let it go before the u21
00:23 <FurySK> turned it into a farce of a discussion for the first 3 pages
00:24 <FurySK> where it was all about phyr and his forfeit and his lack of attention to detail in 2-3 moments.
00:24 <EPK> I must be reading it differently then you...
00:24 <EPK> I see questions about community involvment
00:24 <EPK> ways to improve the U21 awareness and network
00:24 <EPK> you're focused on Aaron arguing with A-dub'
00:24 <FurySK> nah
00:25 <FurySK> that happened on page 3.
00:25 <EPK> I see questions about qualifications
00:25 <FurySK> if you want qualification issues
00:25 <FurySK> i'll be happy to discuss some things with you about that.
00:25 <EPK> let's see...
00:25 <EPK> post #4 in the thread
00:26 <EPK> which you addressed
00:26 <EPK> the post immediately after you addressed post #4 thopugh
00:26 <EPK> you have NOT addressed
00:26 <FurySK> thats because i don't take you seriously.
00:26 <FurySK> i think a lot of what this was for you was a personal attack on the former u21 manager
00:26 <EPK> and I know this
00:26 <FurySK> over how poorly his term ended.
00:27 <EPK> but what you don't know... is the lay BB manager
00:27 <FurySK> if i took you seriously
00:27 <EPK> doesn't know you don't take me seriously
00:27 <EPK> so they see you, a candidate
00:27 <FurySK> i'd send an email
00:27 <EPK> ignoring questions
00:27 <FurySK> to GM-jason
00:27 <FurySK> and it'd be over.
00:27 <FurySK> if you want to play dumb to that to, by all means.
00:27 <FurySK> i'll leave it at that.
00:27 <FurySK> what you did do successfully though
00:27 <EPK> You see it as apersonal attack on Phyr
00:27 <FurySK> is burn a bridge with Phyr
00:27 <EPK> It's a "Call for change"
00:28 <EPK> it wouldn't matter if it was Phyr
00:28 <EPK> Tough
00:28 <EPK> You
00:28 <EPK> Myself
00:28 <EPK> A-dub
00:28 <EPK> oriolekid
00:28 <EPK> Gm-Nick
00:28 <EPK> anyone

(continued)

00:28 <FurySK> so when it comes time for you to take over
00:28 <FurySK> and we have no offsite
00:28 <FurySK> and the only program working for easy talent searching
00:28 <FurySK> was made for and held by....lets see
00:28 <FurySK> phyr
00:28 <EPK> Won't come a time for me to take over. i won'rt get enough votes to win
00:28 <EPK> then OH NO
00:28 <FurySK> you seem to think you do.
00:29 <EPK> I guess I'll just have to make up and hold a program
00:29 <EPK> ROFL
00:29 <EPK> fuyry
00:29 <EPK> that right there shows how little you know of me
00:29 <EPK> Tough knows what I am doing
00:29 <EPK> Nick read through it immediately
00:29 <FurySK> nah
00:29 <FurySK> tough scouted you out.
00:29 <EPK> Jason knows what I am doing
00:29 <FurySK> i just don't acknowledge your posts.
00:29 <FurySK> thats the easiest way for me to deal with it
00:29 <FurySK> i think i've had 2 posts
00:30 <FurySK> one to make fun of you
00:30 <EPK> That right there... is the very thing you accuse me of doing.
00:30 <FurySK> with your basham thing
00:30 <EPK> "when the tough gets going EPK goes"
00:30 <EPK> yall you're doing is burying your head in the sand so you don't have to see or hear it
00:30 <FurySK> yeah
00:30 <FurySK> you aren't responding to phyr
00:30 <FurySK> and wont
00:30 <FurySK> claim it's someone elses problem, not yours
00:30 <EPK> i responded to him hours ago
00:30 <FurySK> no you didn't.
00:30 <EPK> ShadowSlam · Today, 2:19 AMForward Honestly. I think you did a really solid job. The only criticisms I got are the forfeits. Sure the loss to Serbia hurt, but you battled back and secured HCA, so all in all, I think it was a nice recovery. It's just the 2 forfeits for me.
00:31 <EPK> I don't do all my shit on public forums
00:31 <EPK> i have what's called tact
00:31 <EPK> i keep personal things in personal forums
00:31 <FurySK> lol ok.
00:31 <EPK> I keep relevant things to public in relevant to public forums
00:31 <FurySK> congrats on being smarter than everyone.
00:31 <EPK> I know... what a concept right?
00:32 <FurySK> dunno what to call you
00:32 <EPK> you can call me susan if it makes you happy
00:32 <FurySK> otherland i guess is what i'll address you as.
00:32 <FurySK> goodnight otherland
00:32 *** FurySK quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)

So... the gist I get from this... was

FurySK passively aggressively saying that:
He would stop contributing or participating if I got elected.

He also, did a far greater personal attack than I feel I did on Phyr, as I do not think Phyr is so petty to as to...

00:28 <FurySK> so when it comes time for you to take over
00:28 <FurySK> and we have no offsite
00:28 <FurySK> and the only program working for easy talent searching
00:28 <FurySK> was made for and held by....lets see
00:28 <FurySK> phyr

I highly doubt Phyr is the kind of guy that'd do something like that just because he dislikes someone. FurySk, you on the other hand, have admitted as much of that is your character.


GM-s I am not trying to make this campaign/debate a personal attack spectacle. I am only sharing these things as I have been criticized for not doing so.

If the public wants to hear the dysfunction and the crap of the off-site here, fine.

For me personally, when I do just let me team go bot... it's because I come across, and more often have to interact, with negative encounters like this. This was also done in front of a newer to the off-site member, for which i apologized to that new member as this is a terrible display to show people.