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I don't have any experience with this, but I would say as long as they are trainable, train them. After they reach their skill cap they should train their stamina. That is my personal approach, but I don't have NT experience.

I didnt check in there much at all this season, and won't post at all if i lose. If i do lose Juice deserves the chance to defend his ideas.

I understand you wouldn't want to step on Juice's toes but that statement seems to me like you just want the title of Coach. While it would be beneficial to allow him to run the team thats what the forums are for disagreements on P.O.V and with out disagreement to stimulate discussion no change or improvement will ever occur.

Again, Juice was making his plans with a longer term view in plan, so i can truly say "simons shoulda played" or "why did you play harrell, his form sucked that day?" It is possible it was against an opponent who we'd beat anyway, and maybe he wanted to throw a bone to the person who trained him sub-optimally for club but optimally for the NT>

Those kinds of things over a season I just have to give juice a pass on. If he screws up epically where there is no defensible reason, then i will post, but I won't be Juice's biggest antagonist if i lose, that is just bitter. I have different ideas on alot of strategy compared to juice, but thats for you to figure out.

you don't get it do you?

of course you want these things. but you don't get them! the forums were full of crickets chirping, the election last term was laughably low turnout. You say you want diversity of opinions but your demeanor (and actions to a lesser degree) effectively ensures that it wont happen. So saying you want it and creating the conditions to ensure it are two entirely different things. Everyone wants it, youve had 3 terms, with your last election having the worst turnout, and with the forums having a very small # of posts.

Now in your defense, the fact that you get logged out here if you are inactive for more than 5 minutes is a tough factor (Ever write a long post, hit submit and get logged out? I have... it sucks.)

But still, there is no community here. WE both play hattrick, you hear the same comlpaints there on the 400 post thread about buzzerbeater. What have you done about it? What are you going to do about it? (the lack of community that is, not the logout problem, thats on BB-Charles and friends)

Thats why I wont stick around if i lose. I won't be the bitter heckler, but you are not the kind of person that

3a) been a member/lurker long time. Posted a few times, never got a reply, the site blew up and re invented itself. I didnt check in there much at all this season, and won't post at all if i lose. If i do lose Juice deserves the chance to defend his ideas. The one thing no one can accuse Juice of is incompetence, which is why its an uphill battle. I know I personally and a few others feel that there were mistakes, but hes not a f-up at the level of say... rpeters in hattrick (for those who play that game). Whoever wins deserves the chance to put their philosophy in without people sniping at them over every decision they would make differently.

I completely disagree.

We want ideas and thoughts to come in from all corners, positive or negative.

Criticism is essential to improvement. If one isn't criticized, even harshly if need be, they become complacent and never improve. We need improvement - 2 games improvement, to be exact.

Your statement regarding not posting if I win gives the impression that you're not all that interested in the USA NT unless you win the election. I'm not sure that's what you're trying to achieve.

Finally, whoever gets elected SHOULD be under a microscope - that person represents the 2625 strong USA community on the world stage.

3a) been a member/lurker long time. Posted a few times, never got a reply, the site blew up and re invented itself. I didnt check in there much at all this season, and won't post at all if i lose. If i do lose Juice deserves the chance to defend his ideas. The one thing no one can accuse Juice of is incompetence, which is why its an uphill battle. I know I personally and a few others feel that there were mistakes, but hes not a f-up at the level of say... rpeters in hattrick (for those who play that game). Whoever wins deserves the chance to put their philosophy in without people sniping at them over every decision they would make differently.

I completely disagree.

We want ideas and thoughts to come in from all corners, positive or negative.

Criticism is essential to improvement. If one isn't criticized, even harshly if need be, they become complacent and never improve. We need improvement - 2 games improvement, to be exact.

Your statement regarding not posting if I win gives the impression that you're not all that interested in the USA NT unless you win the election. I'm not sure that's what you're trying to achieve.

Finally, whoever gets elected SHOULD be under a microscope - that person represents the 2625 strong USA community on the world stage.

Last edited by TheUnrepentantGunner at 6/6/2009 7:41:34 AM

as far as juice's errors, generally speaking too much offensive focus one way or another. for example our last 5 games with an outside focus we are 44-136 on threes. this is less than 33% (the generally acecpted mark for "not sucking" from the outside)

Just a clarification: this is less than 33%, but at the same time the mark for not sucking in BB is lower than in real basketball, because in BB the 2 PT percentage is much lower than 50%. In the particular case, the 3FG is 32 % which in BB is a very very good percentage. It means your teams would have to shoot more than 48% from 2 points for it to be worth avoiding the outside game. Few teams do that at the top level.

yes and no.

while your point is a given that fg percentages across the board are too low in bb, and i've already made the point that you are more likely to get fouled than you should on shooting 3's, looking at offensive rebound percentage on aggregate you dont get as many rebounds on wayward 3's as you would in the nba. this is purely anecdotal on my part and my advantage of beng a geek.

so in the nba: the average 3 hits 35-36% of the time, the average 2 hits 51% of the time, so same situation, on the face the 3 ball looks better.

however a few things. in the real nba this isnt always true. shooting 2 pointers (specifically layups and dunks) yield more free throw attempts, which are almost always going to be better than 50%. buzzerbeater this is sill true, but the discrepancy isnt so high, and while its a non-issue on the NT level or my club specifically (73% free throws TYVM), some teams would really rather not send some of their players to the line.

furthermore, in the nba look at rebound frequency from layups, short range shots, mid range jumpers and 3s. look at buzzerbeater. this something i only charted over 2 games, but my impression was if it was a long rebound and yoru defending guard had any kind of rebounding ability you werent getting the board. i think that might all change this season anyway with the team defense being radically altered, especially zone defense.

either way, shooting 3's at 32% is still not efficient. i feel this effect more than most. i have a very talented/defensive center, but am otherwise completely loaded on outside players, and still more often than not avoid the outside strategies. This is not something I wanted to do, but rather feel forced into doing it.

It's really specifically basd on the role of the player isnt it? I'd say you have to get stamina to inept or so regardless, but if hte player is on the fringes of the NT and looking to be a 10 minute backup at best, lower stamina is relatively ok. If it's one of our horses, well then obviously respectable or so stamina is alot more useful. The good news is stamina trains fast, and you can train it late on and still get frequent pops.

FCP is a seldom seen option at the NT level, but i think if elected I might run it on some cupcakes to run up point differential.

after all, its better to win 120 to 80 than 90-55, even if the 2nd win is more decisive from a "percentage of points scored" basis.

But still, there is no community here.

Those that participate in the USA forum and the offsite forum probably wouldn't like that.

I have different ideas on alot of strategy compared to juice, but thats for you to figure out.

Thats like a politician saying I have lots of great ideas to fix the economy but I'm not going to tell you you have to guess yourself. Gunner from ready all your threads I haven't seen anything new or ingenious that your planning on doing. With out new ideas or an obvious increase in motivation (which we've seen quite the opposite of from you), leaves us only to pick on experience.

But still, there is no community here.

Those that participate in the USA forum and the offsite forum probably wouldn't like that.

well facts are facts. the nbba smack talk thread is probably the most active thread in the game.

why?

well facts are facts.

So you're saying that the people who participate in the community aren't really in the community at all.

Sorry guys, those of us that participate don't count, I guess.

exactly. and juice has alot of experience getting us to the semis, but has shown no ability to get us past that round.

i think specifics for increasing fan participation have to do more with personality than anything else. i'd take a polarizing manager who made crazy proclamations and antagonized opponents greatly and had the whole world talking, as long as they had the skill to back it up. much more exciting than our usual boring exit in the semifinals which we seem to have mastered.

i am not saying i would do that, but i offer something different

as far as my specific strategies, its different from game to game.

i have offered a few specifics, such as FCP more against weak teams and possibly base offense more against strong teams, but those are tactics.things like player selection in games 11 weeks ago are really almost too minute to bicker over. juice clearly has an information edge over me as well. he might know that our top sg really is only 1 week from popping in both outside d and jump range, where i might not know that this minute and bench that player for someone thats weaker.

so in terms of nitty gritty, of course i cant tell you exactly what i'd do. but i am quite sure i view the game differently than almost anyone. i would be happy to share with anyone that wanted to see it the earliest version of an excel spreadsheet i ran that attempted to rate all the players by position at base offense. pop in the abilitiy levels and you got a 0-100 scale on talent (absurdo players could theoretically score higher than 100, but as a reference, colin harrell scored 96 as a sg at the time of his selling, and whittington was a 94 at pg) my best pg (greer) grades out as a 88 PG and 92 sg (i still prefer him at pg)

and yes, while things like funerals, and weddings will always come first in my life, i still think im motivated, motivated to answer questions from rookies or vets and treat them with respect all teh same

lastly, and i dont mean to demean you, but the difference between a good and great manager in this game is usually minor details. i have been pilloried for setting a patient lineup (one i set too far in advance and couldnt change) because i didnt think i could win a game, without looking to see that UH Rojos was safe in their spot and would also TIE me (i thought they would normal to go for 1 seed last season)

there is no magic formula to being a great manager. each game has 10-12 decisions to make, and they all relate, and the errors dont always show, but you have to get it right more often than the other guys to maximize your chances.

I have different ideas on alot of strategy compared to juice, but thats for you to figure out.

Thats like a politician saying I have lots of great ideas to fix the economy but I'm not going to tell you you have to guess yourself. Gunner from ready all your threads I haven't seen anything new or ingenious that your planning on doing. With out new ideas or an obvious increase in motivation (which we've seen quite the opposite of from you), leaves us only to pick on experience.