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His attendance is so high, because he's in D.II charging D.IV prices. The lower the prices the less fluxuation you have.

So, in other words, what you're saying here is that an imaginary item, which once used to cost a lot of money, but nowadays has close to no practical use (e.g. Dial-up internet connection) will continue to sell, and sell good, mind you, as long as it is offered to people at affordable price?
I'm just kidding :-) but you do understand my point(?) you don't get that kind of attendance, week after week after week, just because entrance is offered to you at discounted price - bad product is a bad product. It has always been that way and it will always be.
EDIT:
I appreciate your input, of course, but taking that guy's win-lose record, he should never ever sell out his 20K arena, his prices being discounted or not, is what my point is, I guess.

Last edited by Mr. Hyde at 12/4/2011 7:16:37 AM

Why does how man seats he sells matter. What should matter is gate revenue. going into the game he was 3-5, you were 2-6. He's gate revenue was 291K, your last home game was 283k. He made 8k more then you. But if you had had more bleachers and lower tier, its quite possible you could have grossed more.

Are we going to talk actual attendance or gate revenue, the two are not the same.

Edit - he didn't sell out all of his bleachers or lower level, you on the other hand did, at more expensive prices. Yet going in, he had 1 more game, and his most recent league game. 8k more isn't astronomical.

additional edit - I know that more people care about professional teams, then they do collegiate teams, then minor league teams, then high school teams, then peewee games. My point is given the choice, more people would spend less to see better competition.

Last edited by WFUnDina at 12/4/2011 12:14:02 PM

So I guess when the Sixers and Wizzards are having bad seasons, and they put the upper deck up at 10$ (yes they do it, I know cause the email the crap out of me) . They don't sell more tickets? They still have to sell twice as many to make the same revenue, though. Just like here.

just because entrance is offered to you at discounted price - bad product is a bad product

Haha, sorry, had a laugh here... O know this game and real world doesn't correlate well, but your sentence can bring the two "worlds" together. How many bad products (cars, clothes, food, you name it) sell because they are cheap? A LOT. So reality applies really well here ;)

Don't get me wrong, I understand everything you're saying, and for what it's worth, it all makes sense, too, but we're talking about team who tanks his games for second season straight now, and yet he still manages to fill his arena - that is a "bit" different than any of the examples you pulled out, you'll have to agree.
Again, my whole point was that current attendance formula is not working to the best interest of BB community and that therefore it should be revised. I guess you disagree, and that is fine.

Oh, okay. I didn't get that was your point, you were trying to make. Agree tanking needs to be addressed.

Current attendance system is not perfect, but it denies top teams the luxury to lose a game here or there and still get away with it, so they have to give their best more often than they would like.

I usually agree with you, but this time I must disagree.
Just look at this guy's attendance (http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/22777/arena.aspx), and then look at his current record as well as his records in the past two seasons. What do you think? Still think that there is nothing wrong with the way attendance is calculated? That "top teams have to give their best more often than not"?
If there were any logic in this game, this guy - with the way his team is run right now - shouldn't have more than 10 fans per game, and even that is too much.

Edju's team has finished 5th in your league each of the last two seasons, with a combined 25-19 record and positive PD. When you consider that he has D5 arena prices, it's not surprising that his arena is close to selling out.

What you should be upset about is Heathcoatmen's arena. 6 straight walkovers, high arena prices, and he's still selling a lot of tickets.

I think we can all agree that true tanking teams should receive little to no arena revenue, but your frustration over arena income seems misplaced and incorrect.

just because entrance is offered to you at discounted price - bad product is a bad product

Haha, sorry, had a laugh here... :) O know this game and real world doesn't correlate well, but your sentence can bring the two "worlds" together. How many bad products (cars, clothes, food, you name it) sell because they are cheap? A LOT. So reality applies really well here ;)

Well, I guess I didn't really do myself any favors by using that particular analogy ("good product, bad product") but um, I think you took that completely out of context.
What I said ("you don't get that kind of attendance, week after week after week, just because entrance is offered to you at discounted price - bad product is a bad product. It has always been that way and it will always be.") and what you took out of it ("just because entrance is offered to you at discounted price - bad product is a bad product") don't really communicate the same thing, don't you think?
A team that tanks his games for a second season straight, intentionally misses playoffs, and more often than not plays TIE with filling only 3 scrubs to start the game, should not average well over 15K people in attendance per game. Just because he is "D.II charging D.IV prices" (to quote our friend WFUnDina) doesn't justify that. In that sense, no matter what, "a bad product will always be a bad product". That is what I meant, and in an indirect way, that is what I said, too. Now, if you didn't take my words out of context, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to get across that point.
Now, that been said, I know what you meant in your reply. Unfortunately - and this is more unfortunate for them than for anyone else - there will always be idiots who spend their money on worthless things just on account that the thing is offered at their price range, but once again, that has nothing to do with what I wanted to say in my post. You wouldn't buy, say, a $150 chrome treadmill for snails - if there were such a thing - just on account that product, at the time of its release, was originally selling for $1500, now wouldn't you?
And just for the record, America is full of $1 stores, you know why(?) because none of those items they store in there can sell for more than that. So, yeah, you can say that people will go there and shop, but as hard it's to make sense even out of that - I believe there is no need for me to use that snail treadmill example again - it is not the same to go out and waste $1 on something that you don't need and, in our BB example, go and waste $800 on VIP seat for the game that will not even be played. Or you maybe disagree?

Last edited by Mr. Hyde at 12/4/2011 8:26:08 PM

Current attendance system is not perfect, but it denies top teams the luxury to lose a game here or there and still get away with it, so they have to give their best more often than they would like.

I usually agree with you, but this time I must disagree.
Just look at this guy's attendance http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/22777/arena.aspx, and then look at his current record as well as his records in the past two seasons. What do you think? Still think that there is nothing wrong with the way attendance is calculated? That "top teams have to give their best more often than not"?
If there were any logic in this game, this guy - with the way his team is run right now - shouldn't have more than 10 fans per game, and even that is too much.

Edju's team has finished 5th in your league each of the last two seasons, with a combined 25-19 record and positive PD. When you consider that he has D5 arena prices, it's not surprising that his arena is close to selling out.

What you should be upset about is Heathcoatmen's arena. 6 straight walkovers, high arena prices, and he's still selling a lot of tickets.

I think we can all agree that true tanking teams should receive little to no arena revenue, but your frustration over arena income seems misplaced and incorrect.

I'm actually not upset about neither of examples, so you got that completely wrong. I was just trying to contribute to ongoing discussion, and in that, I used Edju as an example, him being the last team I played against.
While Heatcoatmen's example is certainly more severe, and clearly better for sake of argument I was trying to make, I don't see Edju's case to be much different. I believe I already explained why is that in my previous posts, so no need to go there again. It is interesting, though, how you think that "true tanking teams should receive little to no arena revenue" and yet you find my observation "misplaced and incorrect".

It is interesting, though, how you think that "true tanking teams should receive little to no arena revenue" and yet you find my observation "misplaced and incorrect".

Tanking the last game of the season to ensure a 5th place finish does not mean a team is tanking. The implication of your post seemed to be that Edju tanked the previous season, which isn't true. This is where the "misplaced and incorrect" came from.

While Heatcoatmen's example is certainly more severe, and clearly better for sake of argument I was trying to make, I don't see Edju's case to be much different.

I see a big difference between 6 walkovers in a row, as Heathcoatmen has had, and one 100 point loss by Edju. There are plenty of professional sports teams that intentionally lose a game or two at the end of a season to ensure draft position or to guarantee an easier playoff matchup. Fans understand and don't react too harshly. A walkover in real life would cause a riot. I'm not quite sure why this is part of the game, nor do I understand why the opposing team is punished by not receiving the full minutes for training.


Last edited by Arthur Monay at 12/4/2011 8:39:28 PM