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I don't know if the whole post was for me, but I'll answer.

1- About the topic title, I agree in every point about the need of trained guys in any place instead of untrained players in England. But this thread is only read by those who are interested in following the NT's, so I believe that the players we "advertise" (legally) here are followed only by those who really want to train them, so it's better for us to be them having that player instead of some other person, with who is more difficult to contact with. Another thing is the patriotism. If a trainer has 2 equally talented trainees, one of them being from his country, he will give a bigger emphasis to that player training, neglecting the foreign one.

2- Once again, our thoughts are the same. I understand the need of a staff team, because it really takes some weight off of the coach. I think that the optimal number for England would be 3, since there are a lot of leagues but not so many active teams (this is another thing in need of change).

also, the results of a U21 coach can't be based on merely 2 years. if the oach before you did a louzy job, then you'll have 20/21 year olds during your U21 coaching years who aren't worthy of the U21 team. on the other hand, if the previous U21 coach took good care of the 18 and 19 year olds, then you'll have nice 20/21 year olds during your 2 seasons as U21 head coach.

so a U21 team isn't just a one man show. it needs a team of people in order to be able to keep track of all the guy's worthy of being trained, cause new guy's to this game will need assistance in training their talents... it isn't uncommon that the U21 coach proposes a training schedule to a coach who is trainig a futur U21 candidate.

x2. I agree entirely on what you said, the problem is many people only look at the results. And despite not liking the results, they don't help the NT's at all. There are good young trainees that could be very useful to U21 NT, but that don't even play. Even when they know about the benefits of a trained player or the profit of a sold 18 year old player with good potential, they don't do anything.

I could say more about these subjects, but I'd rather save some of my thoughts for the next week ;)

where does it say in this topic title "lets keep possible future NT players in good teams", that the players need to stay in England??

Last edited by Astragoth at 3/15/2010 2:42:50 PM

my bad about that. i misinterpretated it.

Even and in this case it may be a mistake if you keep a player in order to be trained in a good team...It depends on how you mean a "good team"..In most cases the best teams in developing a player are these who are a step down from the top..The reason?Their coaches know how to train a player and their schadules allow them to use a young trainee as much as it needs..Also the max number of good trainees in a team is 2,with more players training you will miss some training for sure..

These are my current crop of young english players, I would love to know what people think of them. How to train them properly. Which to move anon d how to pick a new good player etc etc.

Michael Butler (12339933) Point Guard

Weekly salary: $ 3 793

DMI: 13800
Age: 19
Height: 6'2" / 188 cm
Potential: perennial allstar
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: average Handling: mediocre
Driving: respectable Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: awful
Rebounding: atrocious Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: strong

Experience: pitiful


Guido Cruz (11994128) Small Forward Injury! 1 week(s).



Weekly salary: $ 4 425

DMI: 12500
Age: 19
Height: 6'6" / 198 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: average Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: average Handling: respectable
Driving: average Passing: average
Inside Shot: awful Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: inept Free Throw: awful

Experience: atrocious


Anthony Clayton (11994231) Point Guard

Weekly salary: $ 3 066

DMI: 5400
Age: 18
Height: 6'2" / 188 cm
Potential: starter
Game Shape: inept
Jump Shot: awful Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: awful Handling: respectable
Driving: mediocre Passing: average
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: average Free Throw: average

Experience: atrocious


Ewan Gilbertson (12339921) Power Forward

Weekly salary: $ 4 221

DMI: 19400
Age: 19
Height: 7'1" / 216 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: strong
Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: pitiful Handling: awful
Driving: atrocious Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: strong
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: respectable

Experience: atrocious


Clint Mullan (11994094) Center

Weekly salary: $ 5 209

DMI: 75100
Age: 18
Height: 6'10" / 208 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: proficient
Jump Shot: pitiful Jump Range: awful
Outside Def.: pitiful Handling: inept
Driving: inept Passing: awful
Inside Shot: strong Inside Def.: respectable ↑
Rebounding: prominent Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: awful Free Throw: inept

Experience: atrocious


Jonathan Yates (9442384) Small Forward

Weekly salary: $ 3 873

DMI: 7200
Age: 20
Height: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: mediocre
Jump Shot: average Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: inept Handling: pitiful
Driving: average Passing: pitiful
Inside Shot: pitiful Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: awful Free Throw: inept

Experience: atrocious


I know people have mentioned they think Mullan can be good. But any extra help and advice is much appreciated. At the moment I have 7 SG in the top 8 slots of my Draft 6 have been scouted once and have 5star Star Rating the other is a 4star Potential player. So that what ive got coming in potentially. My idea will be to sell any SG that I get so i can keep training Mullan and Cruz. Any thoughts??

just curious, why wouldnt you want to train a guy like that yourself??

Cause I am/was training Clint Mullan and Guido Cruz. What do you think I should do.

Looks like my division have a few good Guards and a Power Forward fromwhat i have seen so far

That guy looks pretty darn good to me...granted the potential is not amazing, but his skill-set is good enough that he wont drag your teams performance down when you get him playing time.


Personally, probably my best draft pick was this guy;


Joe Fleishman (13411748)
Power Forward

Weekly salary: $ 2 456

DMI: 0
Age: 18
Height: 7'0" / 213 cm
Potential: MVP
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: awful
Outside Def.: pitiful Handling: average
Driving: mediocre Passing: awful
Inside Shot: awful Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: atrocious Free Throw: respectable


His base ratings are far from spectacular, but the age and potential are great...not sure whether i want to train him myself though, since i am very much focused on the outside.


My other half decent choice was;

James Southam (13411744)
Shooting Guard

Weekly salary: $ 5 147

DMI: 0
Age: 19
Height: 6'8" / 203 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: average Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: average Handling: atrocious
Driving: awful Passing: atrocious
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: inept


Age and potential not amazing, but the base ratings are good enough that i can use him right off the bat.

Southam is perfect if you're going to train 1 on 1 next season, either at SG or SF. Better at SF, as that's his future.

Manage the skill progression correctly and you can train a star pot player to around 35k in salary. Trained properly he could be an attack-minded starting SF in tier II and a back-up in the EBBL when he reaches his skillz softcap.

Fleischman is an epic project and will be difficult to find players to train with, but he could eventually (we're talking eight seasons) be a very good player. I think you're better off seeing if anyone else wants to train him - but it may well be nobody will be prepared to take him on.