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191983.74 in reply to 191983.73
Date: 7/28/2011 6:47:10 PM
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A 400k player will still be a 400k player that wont be sustainable long term if you want to contend on the highest level, a random pop will make him a 450k player that is even worse financially.

I dont think that the cryptic announcement you made well in advance prepared the people for this change, if it had there would not be so many complaints.

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191983.75 in reply to 191983.74
Date: 7/28/2011 6:59:23 PM
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if a 400k salary player really gets a tertiary skill pop like that' he's pretty unlikely to have been a 400k salary player beforehand, but rather a 440k player. Stop thinking in displayed levels, what's used for the salary calculations etc. is the actual skill value, not the displayed (rounded) one.

And the announcement was clear enough that there was at least a 50% chance of this happening. prudential planning would have meant taking the possibility into account.

I can see where Charles is coming from on this topic. It's just easy to complain about a problem and then complain about the cure, even if the cure was announced way beforehand. There will be a few isolated cases of people getting hurt there; but the potential itself does have a spectrum, and there are way more people getting problems because they miscalculated the actual potential their player as than from this small change. And yeah, if the problem really is in the minor secondary pops, let the BBs implement something to turn those off. Then you can choose - only the pops you want, or better training speed. It's really your choice then.

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191983.76 in reply to 191983.73
Date: 7/28/2011 7:38:54 PM
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Thanks for giving some clues about this new change, also congratulations for the poll add.

Just a quick questions.

I remember posts from you(season 10-11 or so) where you said, that managers were focussing too much on monoskilled players and they weren't training in a multiskilled way.

After some seasons, most of the managers still train in a monoskilled way.


Is there a need to change all the training system just to train more balanced? I would understand that training JS, improves FT's, but why SB?(just an example)

If training on a multiskilled way has a lot of good things, why not leave the managers discover by itself?

I train in a balanced way, but i don't fancy with the idea that others skills start to pop-up so i can't no longer pay my player i trained during 7 seasons.

you'd just be giving up on increases with zero compensation), would you want it? If enough people actually would prefer that, it would be easy for us to implement...[


I don't like the idea to add a change where you can decide what skills you want to train and what skills you don't want, it would be like HT, that would be an awfull add.


If you make this change, make it 100%, but don't make it a half of it , that would make the training easier and at the end less interesting


From: Mr.Mac
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191983.77 in reply to 191983.75
Date: 7/28/2011 7:45:51 PM
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Example:

Van Gundy: "Come on Howard, people say you´re superman so let´s train rebounding once again"

Picture shows Arenas throwing really bad shots (as usual) while Howard´s hardly fighting against Nelson to improve the skill.

30 min later.

Van Gundy: "Oh man, your reboundig skill was so high so you´ve learnt how to pass better to Arenas to try more shots".

Conclusion:

I don´t like it, if you wanna an all around player: train him or buy him. Random issues are so unrealistic and can only give surprises.

A better option could be improve secondary skills to IS, ID or rebounding training. Don´t change it but improve the secondary charge of those trainings that IMO are so low right now. Example: JS improves too slowly if you train IS and driving does not currenty improve at all.

Last edited by Mr.Mac at 7/28/2011 7:57:35 PM

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191983.78 in reply to 191983.75
Date: 7/28/2011 7:52:36 PM
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I can see where Charles is coming from on this topic. It's just easy to complain about a problem and then complain about the cure, even if the cure was announced way beforehand. There will be a few isolated cases of people getting hurt there; but the potential itself does have a spectrum, and there are way more people getting problems because they miscalculated the actual potential their player as than from this small change. And yeah, if the problem really is in the minor secondary pops, let the BBs implement something to turn those off. Then you can choose - only the pops you want, or better training speed. It's really your choice then.


More easy more boring

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191983.79 in reply to 191983.78
Date: 7/28/2011 8:00:50 PM
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would that really be easier? You'd lose 10% of training, so you won't get there all that fast, and if you want to train a youngster this could hijack his development. I think it would give more control, yes, but at a cost. And that cost would exactly be the amount of training a player receives.

From: Sindy

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191983.80 in reply to 191983.78
Date: 7/28/2011 8:08:57 PM
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My annoyance with the change is just that it's unclear, so maybe that can actually be solved.

"A particularly well-rounded player will continue to receive cross-training but will see a much lower reduction in primary skill training, while a particularly one-dimensional player will see a larger loss."

Does that mean that a particularly one-dimensional player will see a larger loss *even* if trying to train a skill which he is bad at? Or does it just mean that he'll see a larger loss when he's training the skill(s) he's already especially over-trained in? I'm presuming the latter, but that's not what was actually stated.

From: Manouche

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191983.81 in reply to 191983.78
Date: 7/28/2011 8:14:18 PM
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Stop training.

BB-mail me, I'll give you tips to make your game experience more enjoyable :)

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191983.82 in reply to 191983.80
Date: 7/28/2011 8:31:51 PM
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My annoyance with the change is just that it's unclear, so maybe that can actually be solved.

"A particularly well-rounded player will continue to receive cross-training but will see a much lower reduction in primary skill training, while a particularly one-dimensional player will see a larger loss."

Does that mean that a particularly one-dimensional player will see a larger loss *even* if trying to train a skill which he is bad at? Or does it just mean that he'll see a larger loss when he's training the skill(s) he's already especially over-trained in? I'm presuming the latter, but that's not what was actually stated.

I think you can safely assume this as it's pretty obvious, but yeah I guess it could have been explained better. For those who didn't already know about the elastic effect, I understand why it would be confusing when trying to understand.

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191983.83 in reply to 191983.71
Date: 7/28/2011 9:53:50 PM
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Please stop saying that everybody is unhappy about this change.


I won't say that everyone is unhappy with. I will say that 73% of the respondents who had an opinion in this poll dislike it, though.

Anyhow, life goes on.

Run of the Mill Canadian Manager
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191983.84 in reply to 191983.83
Date: 7/28/2011 9:58:08 PM
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61%. You might need some one position math training...

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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