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Fact Check: You did it yourself with (50770361). Bought for 30k, sold for 400k after 10 days.

Oh gush....Alonso, with all respect to you. Leave financials, please. You completely don't understand how economy behaves.

Does that mean his worth is 400k in the moment of sale? No..his worth is 10k at best.

Yes, he is worth 400k in the moment of sale. You know why? I explain you. Because, I'm not a charity, but I try to make bussiness. This price include my costs: 49% of taxes (abolish taxes then price will be 49% lower) and cost of storing (around 40k per week for 9 youngsters) + my cost of gym (15k per week, and cost of building). He was worth 30k in time when supply in youngster was the biggest on the market. You had also possibility to buy him as everybody. Why he should be worth 10k now, when is lack of perspective youngsters on the market? Could you explain me? Oh, well. I understand: Probably you expect I should sell player below my costs because you want to keep new users? I'm afraid you will faster lose current users than acguire new ones doing such changes;-)

First of all, player is worth as much as somebody want to pay for hiim and it's not cheating...until two teams aren't in collusion. I'm not a cheater. I simply try to do fair business, while you called me cheater because you don't understand a basis of economy. Believe me or not as you wish (you can check it, if you want): I haven't any connections with buying teams. Furthermore, this team (50770361) isn't newbie. He has played since 38 season.

By the way: Do you think top trainers are worth 3 millions? Is it fair price? I think you should do something with this.

First of all, player is worth as much as somebody want to pay for hiim and it's not cheating...until two teams aren't in collusion. I'm not a cheater. I simply try to do fair business...

That.

After looking at Poland's D1 transfer list as well as some other teams that engage in this behavior, I think your only real argument for doing this is that you are smarter when it comes to what a player is worth than other users and are taking advantage of their lack of knowledge of what similar players are selling for on the market. Personally, I don't think this is very healthy for the game or for new users.

I've found the type of transfers that I believe they are targeting and these are not the case of a player increasing in value from training or selling at a hot time on the market. They are buying high potential prospects without great skills for their age (so they buy cheap) and then listing them at a much higher price until finally an inexperienced team buys them not knowing they can get better players for much cheaper.

So if you are going to argue in favor of this, then tell it for what it is. You're taking advantage of less knowledgeable teams who don't understand the value of a player like you do. Your explanation for the cost of keeping the player is pretty ridiculous and I think you know that since you apparently factored in storing 8 other youngsters as the price of holding that one player.

I guarantee, if they listed them for $1 and, really, I mean really, let the market decide their value, they wouldn't be selling for 100 and 100ks of dollars. These players are not in bid wars at the high price. its 1 bid, then sold to the unknown buyer. But hey, lets not be honest here. Lets go hide behind the guise of "real market value." lmao (and YOU DON'T KNOW!) :-$

I will give you the solution.

For every young player, make an estimation of final SOS if trained every week until 28 given his current SOS, potential and age.

For example, a player with very high potential but very low SOS and already 21, could say while on sale
"Predicted final SOS: 105"

You're welcome.

taking advantage of their lack of knowledge of what similar players are selling for on the market.

Try to buy 19yo players with potential hof on the market currently and you will see how small is a choice now.

Generally, I think the game is about using knowledge and gain advantages: tactical, strategical, economical. Am I wrong? Is it cheating?

Everybody can do the same, then business would completely die. Why you don't do it? I guess because it demands a lot of time. So you don't have time or don't want to spend your time on it. It's easier to be against and prohibit all creative or smart possibilities of earining money to equal chances of really active users with non-active or semi-active Of course, much more "creativity" is tanking and taking money for nothing. This kind of "activity" will develop this game for sure

I think you know that since you apparently factored in storing 8 other youngsters as the price of holding that one player

How did you count this, my genius of math?

Agreed here.

The idea being that what Poland D1 is doing has nothing to do with real transfer list value changing over 10 days (because we know it's not that volatile). Even at high and low activity times you're not gonna see a +3,333% difference in market pricing in those times within that short of a period.

This is seen also because there was no market competition on your player that sold for 400k. There was 1 bid by 1 manager, that's it. I can go on and bid 400k for a player on the TL, does that mean they are worth 400k, no.

See the above comment:

I guarantee, if they listed them for $1 and, really, I mean really, let the market decide their value, they wouldn't be selling for 100 and 100ks of dollars. These players are not in bid wars at the high price. its 1 bid, then sold to the unknown buyer. But hey, lets not be honest here. Lets go hide behind the guise of "real market value." lmao (and YOU DON'T KNOW!)

As for storing the other 8 youngsters, that was you that counted them in your explanation. I'm not on that genius level of math so you can explain it to me.

Which problem are we trying to solve here?

The daytraders or the inexperienced users gifting money?

Solving the last one, means capping new users o limit them in some way so they can't miss big, which is hard.

Solving the first one IMHO, is doable. How would I limit daytrading?:

Establishing selling limitations

Instead of messing with player valuation and reports (I was a GM before, been there, done that), I would apply some limitations.

For e.g., you can't sell a freshly bought player unless (whichever happens first):

* It achieves a minimum player role of X
* Gets injured
* Stays on the team for a minimmum of Y weeks.
* Your finance is in red numbers or your weekly economy isn't profitable
* Player isn't top five on your payroll.

I imagine a minimmum player role of (4)rotation player. Of course some tweaking of the pace on which the status varies could help, but this would force the team to lineup the recently bought player in official games.
So if you want to daytrade, you still can do it but you have to carry the burden of having a bad player on your games.
This also serves as a limit to how many players you can sell while doing this, since you can't field every bought player.

Again, this is a matter of what are we trying to solve here.
I'm playing BB since Season 2, and the market value rules where meant for cheaters, not for daytraders.
Limiting daytrading with the actual rules, enforcing a theoretically market value to apply fines, is short-sighted at best IMO.
And the backlash on this thread is absolutely justified (and I hate daytrading).

Last edited by Kainan-Maki at 5/11/2022 12:59:30 PM

I can go on and bid 400k for a player on the TL, does that mean they are worth 400k, no.

Yes, it means he is worth 400k for you...or you made mistake (your loss, because don't exist here a law protecting buyers, so you can't return purchase within 14 days:P). Maybe you see something special what others don't see. Maybe he is kind of a exclusive player for you. Maybe his name is special for you. Maybe you are emotionally connected with this player. I mean can be many purchase factors. As long as both sides aren't in collusion, or somebody don't want to just donate your colleague everything is ok. Laundering of money in game is not possible so everything should be fine:-)

Seller can always demand as much as he wish for player, buyer can pay as much as he want. Nobody force to buy. Deal are made when demands of seller will meet willigness and possibilities of buyer. This is how free market behave.

I will clarify a few things as I think I understand where you are coming from in your argument:

1. I think what you're doing is smart and requires being very active (I wish I had thought of it)

2. I'm not against buying at a low point and selling at a high point to make money.

3. The transfers of these young players with high potential a few weeks apart for sometimes 10x as much money are not about playing the market. They are about playing less knowledgeable and new users. I don't think this is a good thing for BB and I don't want this to be the go to way to make money (though I'll do it if it is). It seems like you think it is fine way to gain an advantage and should be a part of the game. This is where we disagree.