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Same thing happened to be yesterday

I had 7 players playing
PG at starter backup reserve
SF at starter backup reserve
PF at starter backup reserve

SG had 1 backup and reserve (same guy)
C had 1 backup and reserve (same guy)

What happened is during garbage time, the backup SG got in for main SG, and then the main SG replaced my PG that was set for main backup and reserve. There was no foul trouble

If you don't mind, I'm going to put the whole lineup here.

9 players in the roster

Starters:
PG: Vasquez
SG: Toupeira
SF: Ghiberti
PF: Gutierrez
C: Oliveros

Backup:
PG: Žibutis
SG: Toupeira
SF: Dozier
PF: Alas
C: Alas

Reserve:
PG: Žibutis
SG: Toupeira
SF: Dozier
PF: Albano
C: Alas

So, here's what happened, and bear in mind that the reserve lienup does not mean it has to be followed to the letter in garbage time. When garbage time started, the coach was looking for players to replace the starters. A couple of the backups were set (Žibutis, Dozier, Alas at PF and C), and the coach put them in. Notice that Alas had to be set at two positions. He decided he'd do more good at C. Two positions were left with starters (SG with Toupeira and PF with Gutierrez). He's now looking for replacements for them and on the bench, there's only Albano. For some unknown reason (which is a bug), he decided to use Albano on the SG position. He wasn't looking at the reserve lineup, he was just looking to rest the starters. He then proceeds to rotate a couple of starters on the PF position and the rest is history.

This is definitely a problem in the game engine coding. I'm sure you know how complex the GE is, and it has it's imperfections, so I'm not running away from that. Fixing this code will probably take a long time and I'm not going to sugar coat it, it's hard, it's needs lots of testing and it probably not going to happen this season but eventually we'll fix it.

Until then, there is no other solution but to prevent such situations by setting different backups for all positions but the ones you need players to play 48 minutes on. I this case, setting Albano as a backup on PF would prevent the ensuing mess with player rotation.

I'm aware that this is not what you wanted to hear, but at the moment, it's the best I can do.

I have no explanation. 3 minutes till the end of the game, the coach just decided to go crazy and replace the starters with available benched players. The only thing that could have made him do that is their weak stamina, but in case of Benklifa, the stamina wasn't that bad (inept). Looks like garbage time really does result in some crazy minutes sometimes.

*duplicate*

Last edited by Ulkar at 3/25/2013 11:03:12 AM

Haha well ok thanks for taking time to check it, it wasn't so bad as he only left for 1.5 mins
Good luck for lurking into the GE code, I've worked on big "historic" programs as they say before and it's no picnic

I've been trying to do single position C training this season and unfortunately had issues with my C's getting in to foul trouble and fouling out a lot. This has led me to see the very bizarre substitution patterns where the coach seems to want to put in anyone but the other big man on the bench. He'll put in the benched guards instead.

So, for tonights game i decided to put the benched PF (Lonergan) in to the 2nd sub position so in case the starting C fouled out, Lonergan would come in. Nope, Lonergan had 1 minute at C while the benched guards came on at C for 8 and 10 minutes. Lonergan did come on for the SG though!!

My lineup was:

PG: McArthur | Yasin | blank
SG: Doll | Chowdhary | blank
SF: Phung | Barber | blank
PF: Steeler | Lonergan | blank
C: Schneider | Schneider | Lonergan

Schneider fouled out in 27 minutes.
Chowdhary was injured in just 2 minutes of playing time.
Doll fouled out as well.

Minutes at C:

Yasin: 10 minutes
Barber: 8 minutes
Phung: 1 minute (yes, he even moved from starting SF to play C instead of Lonergan coming on)
Lonergan: 1 minute

Minutes at SG:

Yasin: 2 minutes
Barber: 3 minutes
Lonergan: 5 minutes


This hasn't just been a 1 off either, happened quite a few times this season already due to the foul trouble for my C's and i just cannot work out what the game engine is doing with it substitutions.

I agree that the substitution pattern in those situations (fouling out, injuries) isn't ideal. I'll see what we can do about that. Until then, fill out all the reserve spots too, that seems to help. Also, I checked your lineup and you set Schneider as your reserve too. This means that Lonergan wasn't set as the first reserve choice and therefore was not the first substitute after Schneider fouled out. The coach then proceeded to rotate subs there as he saw fit (the substitution pattern of which wasn't very smart, I agree).

There's definitely room for improvements here so I'll see what we can do about it in one of our next GE revisions.

I would have thought that if the starter and 1st sub were out then it would move to the 3rd sub before taking other players out of position?

and yeah, taking a 10k pg and 30k pg over a 130k PF for the C position definitely seems strange for the coach to do as well.

Anyway, as long as you've added it to your To Do list (a long list i'm sure) then i'm happy enough. Thanks for the reply.

Yeah, but in this case the 3rd sub was also Schneider. Therefore he had to go to other players available and had not chosen very well, I'm afraid. That's what we need to and will improve.