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From: Mzungu77

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Date: 2/27/2012 3:45:10 AM
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When Fluff asked a similar question about the value of inside skills for guards, I showed him the following player from the Brazil NT. He is the type of guard we need on the England NT. I realised that I value JR, Inside shot, and Inside D more than others, but he is just about the perfect guard in my view (obviously, his OD could be a bit higher, but not much for MVP potential).

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/11799897/overview.aspx

Owner: |Sharpshooters|
Weekly salary: $ 160 736
Role: draws a paycheck
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DMI: 613200
Age: 26
Height: 6'2" / 188 cm
Potential: MVP
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: phenomenal Jump Range: wondrous
Outside Def.: stupendous Handling: stupendous
Driving: colossal Passing: prolific
Inside Shot: prominent Inside Def.: prominent
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: mediocre

Experience: mediocre

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From: Fluff

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Date: 2/27/2012 1:15:02 PM
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this guy is truly awesome, but I do wonder whether he would be better as an inside focused guard with less jr and more js and dr. for an outside offense guard I could stomach that jr but then the IS above 7 or 8 doesnt seem as valuable. Instead spend that training time ID, or guard skills sticking to 160 salary

From: Mzungu77

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Date: 2/28/2012 12:25:03 AM
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That is a good point. I might exchange some JR for some OD and some more Inside shot -->12?

The one thing he's got going for looking inside is that high driving.

From: Fluff

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Date: 2/28/2012 2:28:53 AM
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i would prefer something like that or maybe even higher driving with IS at 10/11 still.

i read a while ago a debate about IS vs DR on performance in games. i got the impression DR is a lot more valuable for guards than IS (obvious!) but i also didnt get the impression that performance massively increased with the extra IS as well.
However, i think there would be some cases where the IS would really help a guard, particularly a SG, and certainly at NT level having a set of players with a range of skills at your disposal is essential.
Plus there may be situations where a guard with good IS/ID might be a back up for SF so giving more flexibility to the team.

From: Fluff

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Date: 2/28/2012 1:12:49 PM
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I agree. But that guard also had high jr. for a LI sg id value more dr and js, and if possible more is. But his is, level is good in my opinion already

From: glop
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Date: 3/19/2012 1:48:09 PM
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Not sure if right thread, but I guess. So, Im training my player in a route which is like: IS, ID, IS, RB, ID, IS, RB, ID, IS, RB, IS, ID, IS, RB, ID. Something like that. I will train inside levels only this season.

Talking about this season trainings, pops come really haaaaaaaardly, for Michael O'Connell, I don't remember how many trainings I gave, but it is about 5 and only 2 pop ups, of course its normal at his height, but he is young and he is trained ON C POSITION WITH 6lvl trainer...

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To: glop
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Date: 3/19/2012 3:13:16 PM
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i think 2 pops in 5 weeks is fine for inside skills on a guard at 18 years of age.
For pressure - OD being a slow outside skill to train - its generally 2 pops in 4 weeks at his age.

And a level 6 trainer is great ( i have one ) but they are very expensive for the extra pop they give you every season (or two) - whatever it is on top of a level 5 trainer ! the main thing is he gets his 48+ each week which it looks like you have done for 4 of the 5 weeks training he has had.

inside skills on a guard over average/respectable are quite rare i think so it is promising that you are working this into his training this early on :)

also are you in touch on bbmail with u21 staff? i cant seem to find him on my list and am interested in knowing his skills.

if he has started with decent inside skills then it makes sense to put the hard work in to take them up to proficient or prominent.

From: glop

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Date: 3/19/2012 5:02:18 PM
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Um. We were talking about him with guys from this forum month ago...

5 5
5 5
5 7
7 8
3 1
3 7

I will train rebs this week, then ID after that IS. Im thinking to raise his inside skills to something like

10 10
5 2 But I don't know if I will make it untill this season Ends. Probably not. After this season I will leave inside skills for 2 seasons I think... So I would like to get some good advices about his training route... Even a program, maybe..

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To: glop
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Date: 3/20/2012 6:10:06 PM
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i dont think id bother touching his rebounding for the extra good it would do. It may pop anyway as you train everything else in the coming seasons.
alternatively you could train SB a little but again this would be difficult to manage as your other trainees probably wont benefit from that.
Certainly try to get his IS and ID up.
i think it would be a good idea to agree and aim for a target you are happy with - and hopefully one that will give the NT a great player one day.

maybe you should think up some skills targets for by the time he reaches 21.
so count the pops you think he will get this season and then add say 18 more assuming these are outside skills (9 per season for when he is 19 and 20 years old).

for example you could aim for :

5+5=10 5+2=7
5+7=12 5+2=7
5+2=7 7+0=7
7 8
3 1
3 7

adding to this whatever extra inside pops you think he can get.
so this would require a lot of 1 position pressure and outside shooting mostly.

alternatively you could swap some or all outside shooting for 1 position passing

From: glop

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Date: 3/20/2012 6:23:08 PM
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It's hard to think far to the future. I want to raise his inside skills to 9-10 this season. Then I will leave it for good. But rebbounds is good thing for small players too.. what do you think ?

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