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210204.75 in reply to 210204.69
Date: 3/7/2012 8:55:54 AM
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In last two weeks, I fiddled a lot with statistics of matchups, what methods to use, what results do I want to get out of research and so on. Private life interfered, normally, and delayed the analysis a bit, but it's moving a lot faster now.

I have partial results and I will publish them in upcoming days. In the meanwhile, I invite all who want to participate in the research (especially those that are listed there) to look at 2nd post of this thread, which is here:

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As the post says, a team is "eligible" for research if it had at least five games that were not blowouts in either direction and had the same starting five for all those games. It would help me tremendously if those teams would send me the skills of their starting five players. Of course I wouldn't publish them. I will also send a BB mail to each of those teams with a request of skills.

I'm excited to start dissecting team after team and hopefully discover some things that weren't on anyone's radar before!

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210204.76 in reply to 210204.75
Date: 3/7/2012 11:40:06 AM
Dalmatia Towars
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I would like to know one thing: how does PF fit into motion offense? I'm developing a strong jump shooting and driving PF and I would like to play motion with him. Will a player like that have a lot of shots in motion? I wouldn't like to waste seasons of outside training on a player who doesn't shoot...
I've played a lot of motion last seasons with great SG and SF and it worked beautifuly, but my solid shooting(no driving) PF didn't have many shots...Can you please tell me, when your study is done, can I expect this great shooting driving PF to be a scorer in motion offense for me?

P.S. I think your study will be great and thank you for sharing it with us

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Date: 3/7/2012 12:28:48 PM
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A PF like that could perform well in a Princeton offense.

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Date: 3/7/2012 1:19:35 PM
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i personally make good experience with good shooting PF(give him a little range), even with two shooting and passing big i experienced troubles with playing princeton so that wouldn't be my first choiche.

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Date: 3/7/2012 3:40:16 PM
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my garbage destroyed the BB :P

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210204.81 in reply to 210204.80
Date: 3/7/2012 4:28:57 PM
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It's far from garbage. You have three players that have bigger salary than his most expensive player. A really nice win though.

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210204.82 in reply to 210204.78
Date: 3/7/2012 5:26:09 PM
Dalmatia Towars
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i personally make good experience with good shooting PF(give him a little range), even with two shooting and passing big i experienced troubles with playing princeton so that wouldn't be my first choiche.


hm...i think you're right, range must be the key...i wasn't thinking princeton it's too outside oriented and i don't have dwight howard in the middle :-) ...motion isn't so much all outside shooting, if you have good driving players, you will have a well balanced game...i just wasn't sure about the pf (both scoring bigs is too much for me).

by the way, who in the real world plays motion? OKC thunder? boston celtics?

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210204.83 in reply to 210204.79
Date: 3/7/2012 5:34:57 PM
Dalmatia Towars
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I would like to know one thing: how does PF fit into motion offense? I'm developing a strong jump shooting and driving PF and I would like to play motion with him. Will a player like that have a lot of shots in motion? I wouldn't like to waste seasons of outside training on a player who doesn't shoot...
I've played a lot of motion last seasons with great SG and SF and it worked beautifuly, but my solid shooting(no driving) PF didn't have many shots...Can you please tell me, when your study is done, can I expect this great shooting driving PF to be a scorer in motion offense for me?

P.S. I think your study will be great and thank you for sharing it with us

For training reasons, I've played 3 time motion this season with a SF as PF or C. The players is R. Zabka and here are the 3 games:

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Thank you, this is just what i needed...i was afraid my pf wouldn't get many shots because the outside players would take the most, but now i see it will be cool :-)

From: CrazyEye

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210204.85 in reply to 210204.82
Date: 3/7/2012 6:30:49 PM
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i personally make good experience with good shooting PF(give him a little range), even with two shooting and passing big i experienced troubles with playing princeton so that wouldn't be my first choiche.


hm...i think you're right, range must be the key...i wasn't thinking princeton it's too outside oriented and i don't have dwight howard in the middle :-) ...motion isn't so much all outside shooting, if you have good driving players, you will have a well balanced game...i just wasn't sure about the pf (both scoring bigs is too much for me).

by the way, who in the real world plays motion? OKC thunder? boston celtics?


hard to say, i don't follow NBA to much and Motion offense is more like a general idea of a gameplan then strict systems. Orlando is it definately not, since basic rule of motion is that everybody have to work for a shot and had to be in "Motion" for getting open. Also you try to get your players in the action on medium distance to each other, i believe orlando likes to use a spot up shooter in the corner often to open the field.

You work with lot of blocks etc., and need some people who understand to read the defence and the right spacing(classical 1-2-2/ or simpler said three out two in with the "point guard" in the back to protect fast breaks).
When you receive a pass, you can often wait till the other player on your team moved to the new situation but should be also keep your options open(pass-dribble-shot).


You see motion is pretty classical gameplay, and can vary a lot through the personal you have.

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