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You seem to have superhuman strength, when reading english is considered! ;)

LOL,
Just throwing intelligent ideas outthere, not trying to talk to trolls.

Large economy games use variable auction systems which give the sellers an option of placing or not placing a buyout. They also give sellers the option of altering the length of the auction.

Its weird though in this game you can bid on your own auction, something not allowed usually.

It would not make the system chaotic. Adding a buyout figure to some auctions is not confusing. OK I must admit some of you are probably complete morons and can't understand the idea of a buyout. Unfortunate for you.

None of that would make cheating any easier. If they buyout is above or below the players natural value the system would pick it up, besides which with the current limit on the number of transfers you can do in a given time frame before fees get ludicrus... Cheating via transfers seems pretty impossible now.

People would need to #1 trick the system into giving them a bunch of multiple accounts (I'm sure people if diligent enough can get this done) Then they would need to just farm players out of those teams to whichever their flagship team is, but all at relatively decent value and spread out over a large range of time. Even if someone went through the trouble of cheating at that level the amount of benefit they get form it seems so minimal it aint even worth worrying about.

Seriously though if you are worried about cheaters go find some and report them to the admins, if admins don't move start a thread for report people you think are cheating via multiple accounts. Just post both teams and show the large number of transfers between them that are shady.

honestly I haven't seen any sings of cheating, I haven't lookd for it though. My limited information opinion is that there are little to no actively cheating multi-accounters in this game.

The system is not fine the way it is. There are times when auctions are lucritive and not based on volume of users at a given hour.

People who work etc. during peak or offpeak hours, as well as people who don't want to spend all day watching the transfer list are at a HUGE disadvantage to folks who could check the transfers every few hours.

Bids only updating 3 minutes with a bid doesn't really help create a bid war that includes all buzzerbeater players. It only includes people in that time zone in that hour. For any auction to include every player in the game the amount of time you need to give someone to look at it is atleast 1 week. Seriously.

Of course if EVERY auction took several weeks to complete it would make roster upgrading very time consuming, which wont work with the relatively short season lengths. If it took 2-3weeks to move ANY player than you'd need like a month to set up which eats up to much of the season.

That is why there should be an option for buyouts and quicker 3-day options for less valuable players.

And stuff.

It would not make the system chaotic. Adding a buyout figure to some auctions is not confusing. OK I must admit some of you are probably complete morons and can't understand the idea of a buyout. Unfortunate for you.

None of that would make cheating any easier

did you know how cheating protection works here, before you call us morons?

If a would be a cheater, i will list a player with a buy out and buy him with that and other players won't see how much i bid on it. So the transfer won't be reported, maybe you see now a little problems before you attack me ...

I won't read the rest after it, sorry.

It's not going to happen because of the possible cheating issues, period.

Err... with a buyout option all buyouts would be reported, just like all sales are reported, to help with the pricing system, which is also directly linked to the anti-cheating system.
All buys are 'reported' If you pay more than estimated value, ALWAYs reported....
Are you talking about players that are off the charts or very rare so there is no data on them??????
In that case you would need to make that player over a LONG LONG period of training.... So like if you multi-accounted 10 accounts then one day decided to merge them all into a single account via one sale from each team or something like that..... Doesn't sound easy AT ALL. Sounds like something that would take massive planning and execution to work.
As for as players not necessarily off the charts, but just kinda rare... Well if they are mediocre players, again same problem of needing create multiple accounts and then the problem of snagging a bunch of mediocre players, cheating or no, doesnt really do anything for you.
So if you feel like proving that you aren't really really short upstairs, feel free to try. So far I'm convinced you are not very sharp.

All buys are 'reported' If you pay more than estimated value, ALWAYs reported....

you know that why?(it could be but i won't be sure about that) And did you take a look at the Transfer estimation, my best one goes from 50k to 4,5 miollions - so to buy him to 50k and sell him fpr 4,5 Miollions was ok in this case and no cheating?

Are you talking about players that are off the charts or very rare so there is no data on them??????

this is just antother probem with the tpe, which is primary designed to help a bit the newcomers or people who aren't very active on the Tl.

o like if you multi-accounted 10 accounts then one day decided to merge them all into a single account via one sale from each team or something like that..... Doesn't sound easy AT ALL

So cheating is no problem for you?

So if you feel like proving that you aren't really really short upstairs, feel free to try. So far I'm convinced you are not very sharp.

with the current system, there was alot eyes on the market so i won't try it, even if 5 miolions for each of the ten team who be attractive for me - but i play fair ;)

This forum is for discussing the game, not for needless insults. You have stepped well beyond the minimum amount of respect you should show other members of the community. Or would you like to continue this conversation in German, which is Crazyeye's first language?

Concerning your suggestion, to me it seems alright, but I don't have any problem whatsoever with the current system so I would never support it over what we have now.

Last edited by somdetsfinest at 8/9/2009 10:24:41 AM

The bidding system is definitely good.. Just feel sorry for yourself if you can't afford the player anymore.. =p

Btw, can "self-bidding" be released? There was a time when I'm a part of a bidding war and i also found out that the OWNER of the player also bids it with a large amount coz he knows that his player is demanded by many managers..

The bidding system is the fairest thing around.The only thing that needs to be changed is owners bidding on their own players to bring up their price.I have had it happen on a player I was bidding for.

I agree that self-bidding seems a little odd.... Not seen this possible in many games.
The self-bidder runs the risk though of buying their own player which increases their number of transfers and they pay the fee, so they lose money out of the processor, plus still they stuck with player they were trying to sell.

Seriously I don't think many people are cheating. Do you know of any accounts of people cheating, if so report it.

Why are you so worried about cheating? I don't see anyone cheating. Maybe I'm blind to some gap in teh system where people are cheating, if so PLEASE show me where this cheating is happening. I don't see it no where.

Buy for 50K and sell for 4.5 million..... You would need to own multiple accounts and be really slick to work this out to any advantage. Yes I can see someone cheating in this way.... Buyouts wouldn't change the fact that the admins don't want to spend all day watching the market. I'm assuming they look at a report of all sales, only considering the amount a players sold for. They probably have some automations set up to detect cheaters. This would look at the number of transfers and values etc. between the same 2 teams. Probably you get burned anytime you make more than one transfer with the same team.

In order to cheat you'd have to be really slick about it, like 1 fake account every other week or so, to doctor up one fake trade a month or something silly like that.... They got it set up to check your IP when you make accounts though to make sure you are in same country you say you are in. Pretty easy to see a guy who only gets transfers in his own country every couple of weeks....

Seriously I have a very active mind and any easy way to get an advantage I'd think it up. I don't think cheating in this game is easy at all, which is why I don't think it is happening. When you play in a top league you spend a lot of time stairing at the guy next to you, A LOT OF TIME.... Whether the admins havea good cheating detection system or not, the players themselves would smell a cheat and report them. I really think they would. IN Japan you got maybe 20 guys playing the game competitively now (basically the top league and folks trying to get into that league soon). For this reason about 40 teams, those in top and the 2nd to top league are being parused regularly by their peers.

If anyone of us was pulling off some cheating to any kind of successful advantage... we'd detect it.

If someone goes through the trouble of manufacturing an undetectable cheat in this game, I'd say more power to them. If its worth that much time and energy to win a simulated fantasy basketball game.... take that championship, you would have most definitely put more effort than I ever will at that point.

Now if you know of some easy cheating strategy please share. Otherwise, lets drop the whole 'people will cheat' BS. Less you can prove people are cheating or that cheating is easy, its not a valid point of debate.

The problem with the transfer system now is that you have to spend 30 minutes to win a bid war in addition to being on at whatever random time the auction is said to expire. This doesn't fit most peoples lifestyles, people who realize work, family, freinds, social life, real basketball etc. are all more important. This game should be set up to be played when you ahve a minute, at your own leasure. 3 minutes is NOT reasonable. Atleast 8 hours. Otherwise 90% of players are not participating in most auctions, which is why the pricing is so screwy. Give every player a chance to look at and bid on a given auction and the prices will be more consistant. 50k to 3.5 million price ranges are the result of the 3day 3 minute system.

A buyout system with an option for 1 week auctions would yield much much more accurate pricing data. I guarantee it.