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Ok, so working with the U21 Manager as a team is a big part of holding the NT job. It's sorta like you are the president and the U21 is your vicepresident.

So I'd like to hear who your ideal candidate for U21 position next season would be, and who you would absolutely hate to work with.

I'd also like to know how long you guys are planning to be the NT manager. We've had pretty long terms from Juice and Coco has had 4 seasons. Is more turnover good, or is the stability of having a single manager better in your opinion?

I think for the NT manager, the length of term isn't as clearly defined as for the U21 manager. I think for the U21 manager, the coach should be entitled to 2 terms (4 seasons), so that he gets one term with "his own" players -- players who were 18 and 19 after his first election and had the opportunity to have their training shaped by his preferences. For the NT manager, it's a little less obvious... I think 2 terms would be good in order to control for some randomness and give the manager a chance to succeed, but having a long string of terms probably wouldn't be great for the program, as fossilization of strategy and thinking would work against the NT's chances if it became more predictable.

As far as ideal candidate for U21... pretty much anyone who's put in some blood, sweat, and tears into the scouting/player development departments over the past 4 seasons would be on my endorsement list for next season's election.

Last edited by Azariah at 12/15/2009 9:49:36 PM

It is an easy decision to pick me because I actually do the job and do it in an instant!
LOL IF USA ISNT IN THE TOP 3 IN 3 MONTHS OF ME BEING LEADER, FIRE ME!
BUT I ALREADY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO TO BRING THIS TEAM TO THE TOP 3 IN 3 MONTHS!

Last edited by Tong Tong Gong at 12/15/2009 10:14:13 PM

Well that's it then, I dislike your management, and officially dislike you now as well.

I guess I can stop waiting for the holiday card in the mail.

WHy would I contribute, when I never liked your management of the team?

If you cared about the NT, you'd try to affect change during competition, but it's clear you only care about it if you're running it.

You could say its carpet bagging, but it's better than me belitting your decisions game by game. God knows I am active in this game (log in pretty much every day, talk frequently with a variety of managers to expand my thought process about the inner workings of the game). You had your inner advisors, and the group think that resulted from it led to the results we had.

Results that you would have had zero chance of matching or exceeding.

I wanted no association with your regime. I'm amazed that people think you were successful. I think with the resources at our disposal, not having a single appearance in the finals is nothing but a failure on your part.

Clearly you have no idea what our resources were. You chose to disassociate yourself after another losing electoral effort, yet you talk like you know all about the NT and the issues it faced.

I realize that if there was a national perception of you as a failure that would hurt.

My legacy is secure, regardless of what you think.

You care about your legacy deeply, and on the club level that is secure.

My club has played 2nd fiddle for the duration of my NT tenure.

However, you have had 3 cracks at it, and have failed to overachieve in any of those attempts. In baseball you would be out on strikes.

That's 4 cracks, but I figured that your extensive NT knowledge you'd know that.

I'm pretty damn sure that had you been in my role, you'd have zero Worlds hardware.

Simply put, you failed. You had awesome resources, and wasted them.

The people that actually bothered to care about the NT built those resources.

If you, as a voter reading this, thnk that Juice was successful, you clearly wont want to vote for me.

Clearly they felt I was a better choice than you, what, 2 or 3 times now?

As for alienation, I would not want anyone that got us to where we were, that's true.

Translation: anyone that associated with the USA NT under Juice sucks.

Tremendous way to garner votes.

However, the post i previously referenced here: http://itmightbedangerous.blogspot.com/2008/06/draft-review-about-process.html

Well that couldnt be more true

The graph part of the way down sums it up. You could have one term, and be truly unlucky. But over the long term, you end up in either the top left or bottom right boxes. I maintain we underachieved and are now deservedly in the bottom right box.

That above passage clearly illustrates that you have no idea what it takes to run a large nation's national team. You want to judge something you've already made clear you ignored because you weren't calling the shots? I'm sure the USA community sees right through that.

Realistically though, if the continuation of the prior regime wins, there is no reason for me to contribute, unless if the candidate enjoys getting heckled.

So you're guaranteeing you're going to go pout for another two seasons?

It's not about Juice. It's about you and wozz and Azariah and about how both of those guys have proven to care more than you.

In the end, this is how it is.

I'm not running, yet TUG's focus is on me and what I've done.

::shrug::

yes, the voters chose you 3 straight times. bob marley said you can fool some of the people sometimes, but you've fooled enough of those poeple all the time.

you have a different take on how you performed in the national team than i did, and we aren't in any danger of agreeing anytime soon.

my positon stands, over 6 seasons your leadership can be termed a failure, and you can call me selfish, but running 3 times, and doing worse each time, well that is truly a spectacular selfish feat.

im done discussing you though, so if you want the last word go for it.

i'd like to talk more about the things i would do differently, so if users have substantive questions feel free to ask away. thanks.

Hard to ask legit questions with all your mudslinging.

I'm a little disappointed Janitor dropped off he would have been interesting to hear more of.


Gunner, Juice and Coco have worked hard to get people to help them with the team and at times activity can be kind of sparse. How will you increase activity, and keep interest of those who have already put a helping hand forward to help a coach that you now openly mock.

yes, the voters chose you 3 straight times.

4, but again, I'd expect someone so well-versed in the NT to know that.

bob marley said you can fool some of the people sometimes, but you've fooled enough of those poeple all the time.

Guess what USA community, you were FOOLED! But hey, calling the electorate stupid is a fantastic way to win an election.

you have a different take on how you performed in the national team than i did, and we aren't in any danger of agreeing anytime soon.

Nor, do I suspect, are you in danger of having most of the community agree with you either.

my positon stands, over 6 seasons your leadership can be termed a failure, and you can call me selfish, but running 3 times, and doing worse each time, well that is truly a spectacular selfish feat.

Yet the voters wanted me to continue (and some wanted me to continue on now).

In real life we improved our standing from the 1st Worlds to the 2nd Worlds, and then again to the 3rd Worlds, and then slightly fell off this past season. You are an outright liar if you're saying we did worse each time.

Not only did we do well in the Worlds, you were prevented from ruining the team by being at the controls. I call that a very successful campaign.

i'd like to talk more about the things i would do differently

We've been waiting for that for several elections now.

Okay, I suggest that we leave the (civil but at this point tired) flame war behind.

I agree - our positions should be crystal clear by now.

Nice, nice, election times rolls around and there's a chance to hear some new voices.

I suggest that TUG do his homework, and run, maybe, in 2084

With all due respect to the opinion you have - leave it at home. This is a debate thread, not an opinion thread for you to beat down on him.

This is not to say I agree with him, but rather to say your 2084 comment is not necessary in the NT debate thread.

Lets focus on our new coach and not the opinion you have shall we?

Please note that with you and JP not involved for the next few seasons - this will be a ground breaking time. lets allow all candidates to put their best foot forward.