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I can't understand what you wanted to mean in your first responce. Perhaps you could formulate youre sentences a little.
What the hell is this, now they punish me forever??? LOL? Make smaller constructions/deconstructions. This game tends to change from time to time. No need to deconstruct something that takes you 1 season.
You want more seats. BB-s want 500 courtside seats. Because they think it 500 fits more with that 20k "cap". Set a price that sells those 500.
They changed it when they noticed it would be a problem. What? They can not change the game around? No more free agents. Let those prices rise? No new game engines? Change is good when it has a reason behind it. This seat cap has!
You are 1 out of 50000. This change is good for the game. What was the number? 100 managers were affected? I think atleast 50% of those do not care and adapt. You could try that aswell - without doing some radical arena rebuilding. Do not make constructions that last a season or 2. Perhaps you could build on weekly basis.

You want more seats. BB-s want 500 courtside seats. Because they think it 500 fits more with that 20k "cap". Set a price that sells those 500.

BB wanted something around 2000 thousand, because they designed it so, they also raised this number one season before. But instead if saying in those 14 weeks, sorry we made soemthing wrong we react on it next season, they see the problem for more then 14 weeks to change it one day after you can not react to it anymore(i think i mention it first a half season before they change it - which they read and which made those cap propose idiotic and not pretty popular, even before they made it instead of designing fan numbers who fit to the desired size of the arena).

They choose to raise the importance of courtside, and the number of courtside seats you could sell, while implemting it and now they make more then a stepback after most player adjust to this change.

What the hell is this, now they punish me forever??? LOL? Make smaller constructions/deconstructions.

there are none, and personal i believe that more seats then the cap could also cost seats, in the expensiv areas. I paid for 5k seats for example i never used(only a half seasoN), and who cost me in future money.

They say this game is about planing and thinking ahead, but they now changed a part of the game to punish players who are planning and thinking ahead for making the rigth decision - and why? this time they make it for nothing, because the effect of the arena is unimportant like the BB said they just wanted to change it ... So they punish lot of users 2 times, for planing and thinking ahead. Such is frustrating and makes me angry thats why i try to make it public.

Change is good when it has a reason behind it.

Points who makes this silly:

- seats disappear

- you can not react

- good planning is punished

- it is more unrealisitic, because it is just a term with 500 courtside seats the seats aren't courtside too

- difference prices of the seats, are now unlogic because it didn't reflect the quality of the seat, and just the position(seats lower to the ground are normally cheaper)

-arena expansion is still unlogic(but i hope it stays), because you nomarlly can not expand a arena - in stead you should buy a new one.

- they say it themself that it isn't necessary, and changenotthing in the globak economic


- unrealtistic

- less flexibility in building

Pro change:

- they pronounced, and first regret it three days after but then they won't change it back because people already could plan with it ... Sorry the time before was much longer, and we don't get an escape plan for this crap. But ok is it a pro argument i understand, because it shows how improtant planning is.

hehe..funny conversation :-)

i can only say..BUUUUUUUUG..Boston send me construction workers from greece or africa i suppose..i startet the rebuilding in the middle of season 9 and like it looks now they smoked more as they worked :-D

Cheeeeeeeeeeeers

Will

Sometimes it takes more time to see the outcome of a change. They saw the change was flawed and gave you some time to adapt. They did not implement it right away.
You used the seats for half a season + You get your building money back! You did not get punished, you changed your arena around too hastfully, thus making yourself vulnerable for fixes.
In games everything can not be realistic, things that can be (and would not make something unlogical) should be implemented.
500 seats are courtside (about 2-3 rows, depenging on the arena). It's really funny for you to argue about why not 501-600, 500 suits the best, deal with it.

- difference prices of the seats, are now unlogic because it didn't reflect the quality of the seat, and just the position(seats lower to the ground are normally cheaper)

Can't understand you logic or you have trouble putting your thoughts in english. Have you been to an NBA game? How come lower seats are cheaper? People watching from bleachers just watch the monitors and eat burgers. Courtside seats are exactly what they should be courtside - thus making them more expencive than lower tier seats.
Could not understand the bold thing aswell :)
It's realistic enough, don't build like a madman. Build per week

Last edited by Kukoc at 1/28/2010 4:31:01 AM

Sometimes it takes more time to see the outcome of a change. They saw the change was flawed and game you some time to adapt. They did not implement it right away.

they don't think about the previous change, and try to react with even less power on brainstorming - after it they say this change wasn't necessary and it is just hurting people is that good game designing. maybe i am to oldschool, but if i implent something, i do calculations around it or at least test it, they already had a calculator for visitor and could make an esasy maximum income calculation. And they don't change it when ithey see it, the case was clear too weeks after implementation, and the problem which scould happen even before they implente this way.
So if it not necessary a failure, you don't have to do it afterwards. or at least they could make it so, that good planning(which is term of game design), isn't bad for the teams. A simple Arena tool, which gave the team the possibility to fit the arena to the new system would help a lot.

You used the seats for half a season + You get your money back! You did not get punished, you changed your arena around too hastfully, thus making yourself vulnerable for fixes.

I changed the arena, around the system, and because this was so obvious, you had to think that it is planned that way.
And i am punished, because i put money into those seats, insteat of putting them in the second cheapest area, and not destruct the bleachers. And this will stay, and hurts me every game i play in my arena.

500 seats are courtside (about 2-3 rows, depenging on the arena). It's really funny for you to argue about why not 501-600, 500 suits the best, deal with it.

thats more then 2-3 Rows, and why they aren't even some more? I am angry because the BB didn't think in making those arena changes, and reach the opposite of what was planned, they makre the arena even more unrealistic then it was before(and this would fine because it makes fun, those changed tdon't make fun they just take a dimension out of the game for people who now start to build, and punish people whoa re already finished building).

Can't understand you logic or you have trouble putting your thoughts in english. Have you been to an NBA game? How come lower seats are cheaper? People watching from bleachers just watch the monitors and eat burgers.

they are cheap to construct, not cheap to buy for the visitor ;) And normally games have different categories, and the lower level is normally more expensiv but much more then three rows ;)

You mentioned the new GE before, when they released it, they know they make shit and put the old one back into buissness - why they making make this change back when they notice things are running wrong, and work around till it fit - instead of crushing planning too times in a short period of time. At least they could release then in the time, you still could react.

And don't forget, that they already plan a new change to it, which will crucsh plannings again ...

Is that fun, have that something to do with planning?

That's why we have Courtside and Lower tier. Depending on arena size courtside could be more than 3 rows. But that is beside the point. The point is you can not add up courtside seats and lower tier seats and call them just courtside -> you have to agree that this would be absurd. I think you are missing the fact that we have 4 types of seats in the arena.
Everyone who start to build now are fine. Older teams can't build 1298372 size arenas and can not build unlogical arenas with 10000 courtside seats and 5000 bleachers.
I think BB's should let you keep those courtside seats. Just say: Courtside seats have "silent cap" on 500 -> and arena "caps" at 20000. If you have 5000 Courtside seats you get 500 filled and rest of the 4500 will just count for the cap. So with 5000 courtside seats you get attendance "capped" at 15500. If you have 100 luxury boxes aswell it will cap at 15450. So building proportionally unlogical arenas would cost you more.

I think BB's should let you keep those courtside seats. Just say: Courtside seats have "silent cap" on 500 -> and arena "caps" at 20000. If you have 5000 Courtside seats you get 500 filled and rest of the 4500 will just count for the cap. So with 5000 courtside seats you get attendance "capped" at 15500. If you have 100 luxury boxes aswell it will cap at 15450. So building proportionally unlogical arenas would cost you more.

no, they should implement caps when they chage it and not now. And this would punishment player totally who play after the system they want, so when they have no necessarity, and this changes just hurts plans why not keep the old system - and maybe call lower tie and courtside category two and three, like they called in most ticketing systems.

That's why we have Courtside and Lower tier. Depending on arena size courtside could be more than 3 rows. But that is beside the point. The point is you can not add up courtside seats and lower tier seats and call them just courtside -> you have to agree that this would be absurd. I think you are missing the fact that we have 4 types of seats in the arena.

Absurd is that you could resize your arena, without building a new one(but also it makes it funny to play). This what you emntioned, is reality not absurb. You miss the things, that those types just differ from the position, and building close to the ground is normally cheaper then the seats away from the basket, here it is the oppsoite way.

First i though they are quality differences, but no it is just position which they stated in this change.

Everyone who start to build now are fine. Older teams can't build 1298372 size arenas and can not build unlogical arenas with 10000 courtside seats and 5000 bleachers.

yes, and that is bad because this is probadly more like the arena should look in this new system. So why new team could have optimum arena and old teams not?
I think the most intelligent way was to call alls eats seats, so that you can not build any unlogical distribution anymore(even small arenas have very unlikely contributions) . and with the actual system you can not build a individaual arena anymore so there is no necessarity more for the differentation besides of punish teams who can not react to the system, and allow just small arena sto be unrealisitc and makes realism important first they become big.

No they can change it any time they think it is necessary, like now. This change hurts really small number of users and is good for the game.
Take the arena building like this. You build an arena to a smaller city, you are smart and build a bigger arena without some of the seats finished, to start playing in your league. You have additional free space to add some seats. Buying one reck of bleacers is cheap (making one seat cost pretty low) compared to luxury box building. Perhaps their price range is different than in this game, but it makes sense for the game.
New teams do not have the money to build to 20k seats right away. It takes time. The change is good because it's not about who builds the arena best 15 times a season, but it's about basketball, players, tactics, training. That's why we should get rid of the day-traiding aswell, but that is another story.

New teams do not have the money to build to 20k seats right away. It takes time. The change is good because it's not about who builds the arena best 15 times a season, but it's about basketball, players, tactics, training. That's why we should get rid of the day-traiding aswell, but that is another story.

so you could change it to seats, or remove it out of game, but now people are in advanced because they nothing do better, just they profitate more form the changes then other.

Even some people are getting advantage, who making faults. i can loose game because i made bdad decision, but loosing games because making rigth decisions sucks.

I just want someone to confirm that what was announced in the news item is actually happening next week. To me that's the only logical thing to do. Very few people read the forums, so most would be making decisions based on the news item alone.

If not, just say that you are still thinking about the issue. People have decisions to make regarding ticket prices and arena structure.

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 1/28/2010 9:52:05 AM