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From: Mr J

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I was just as enthousiastic as you are a few seasons ago when I coached the SA U21 NT. But today I'd answer no, these are not valid questions. When people wonder what you've done, they'll most likely check out your team and your results. I doubt that the majority will read your autobiography.


So is it just 'my' autobiography that offends you, mate, or does Mickyster's autobiagraphy posted today that also meet with your distaste?

So, because you no longer have any enthusiasm you would taint that of those who do? You spoke of looking solely at results as the only indicator of success. I guess that is where we differ. Where you see two terms in the job as merely a 'job' to do, I see it as an opportunity to organise for the future while still doing the 'job'.

From: ezlife

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Maybe I should mention that I have a theory:

Nobody cares about what you post. People will eventually check out your team, which includes players, results and history. Then they'll see how cool your nickname sounds. Finally they might check if you're somewhat active on the debate thread, no matter what you post. From this they'll vote for a manager.

So basically, I'll drop a word here from time to time until the election's deadline and see where it takes me. I gotta test it :P

However, I promise you I'll be ready if I accidentally get elected.

From: Mickyster

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I agree Mr Green
If it was just a results driven result we should just give the job to whoever has the highest country ranking for their team. And form that Latino should of got the result last time instead of Iwen. Guess that idea is a bit off.........

From: Trikster

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However, I promise you I'll be ready if I accidentally get elected.

I think this line gives an insight to your campaign

From: ezlife

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pretty much =)

From: whitewind

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Date: 6/12/2013 8:31:08 AM
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Woow, didnt have a dig at all mate, relax. Perhaps the word "cant get the skills of the u21 and potential u21s up on the site" in my sentence should have read " chooses not to update", as you answered my qu saying you would not. Def not stating you didnt know how :)

In terms of my team post in the wombat thread, two points.
1. The fact you didnt have anything to add tells a story.
2. I was referring to ppl commenting on trainees progress, not commenting on individual teams on the wombat fed. Im talking about commenting on potential u21 players early to ensure they are given best possible chance on the u21 team. That IS the role of the u21 manager. Currently I have a 21yr old that may just miss the u21 team this season. I feel that, had I been given top level advice on my 21yr old when I was in need, he may have been given better training for what the team needs, and therefore a higher chance of being selected. I dont think that can happen in a "supporter only" fed. And as i said earlier, i know there were numerous trainers begging me for advice on how to improve their chances, something only the u21 manager can speak for.

From: Mr J

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Maybe I should mention that I have a theory:

Nobody cares about what you post. People will eventually check out your team, which includes players, results and history. Then they'll see how cool your nickname sounds. Finally they might check if you're somewhat active on the debate thread, no matter what you post. From this they'll vote for a manager.

So basically, I'll drop a word here from time to time until the election's deadline and see where it takes me. I gotta test it :P

However, I promise you I'll be ready if I accidentally get elected.


The irony is this, Ezilife: Of those of us running you maybe the best person for the job. Mickyster and I are similar in our enthusiasm. We agree on many topics concerning the U21 NT and we disagree on some major ones. Maybe your theory will come to fruition. Maybe people will look at what is being posted by myself and Mickyster and say, "F#%k this crap...Ezilife's got my vote!"

But let me be clear: if you are elected, I will be the first to congratulate you and then ask you how I can help. Enthusiasm is hard to squash...

...And I have no doubt that you'll do the job well if elected.

Each to their own...

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Date: 6/12/2013 8:37:15 AM
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Iwen didnt even want the job, he just did it deny Latino, he admitted it himself on this very thread! =P

Back to topic though. All current candidates are very capable managers and have different approaches in how to put forth a debate. Would be nice to see a few more candidates pop up instead of this verbal joust between Mr Green and ezylife.


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Date: 6/12/2013 8:39:23 AM
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That might just be the best motivation for the job there could be.

Sad thing only about 30 people bothered voting the NT election last season. Be great if more managers showed a interest enough to click and vote.


Last edited by Mickyster at 6/12/2013 8:39:57 AM

From: Mr J

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Date: 6/12/2013 8:39:52 AM
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Woow, didnt have a dig at all mate, relax. Perhaps the word "cant get the skills of the u21 and potential u21s up on the site" in my sentence should have read " chooses not to update", as you answered my qu saying you would not. Def not stating you didnt know how :)


My apologies.


In terms of my team post in the wombat thread, two points.
1. The fact you didnt have anything to add tells a story.
2. I was referring to ppl commenting on trainees progress, not commenting on individual teams on the wombat fed. Im talking about commenting on potential u21 players early to ensure they are given best possible chance on the u21 team. That IS the role of the u21 manager. Currently I have a 21yr old that may just miss the u21 team this season. I feel that, had I been given top level advice on my 21yr old when I was in need, he may have been given better training for what the team needs, and therefore a higher chance of being selected. I dont think that can happen in a "supporter only" fed. And as i said earlier, i know there were numerous trainers begging me for advice on how to improve their chances, something only the u21 manager can speak for.


On the 1st point I will say this: I didn't have anything to say as you had been given great advice. I repeat...if I don't have anything of value to add I'm not going to add. Or are you suggesting that had I chimed in with 'I agree' and 'yes, yes, good advice' you would have thought more highly of me? I think not.

On the second point: Yes, that kind of advice IS the role of the U21 Manager...but I'm NOT the U21 NT manager. So what are you saying? that I should have commented on players even though it wasn't my place to?

:-)

How about we move on from the character attacks people (myself included) and focus on the core issues people have:

1. Offsite forum or new Federation?
2. Federation that has all NT or one that has only U21 NT?
3. What we think the roster might look like and the value of having a variety of player types?
4. Other?

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