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5th place is the new 4th place

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166665.77 in reply to 166665.75
Date: 12/22/2010 12:50:18 PM
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I agree about the diagnosis, though I'm not sure much will change here at the top division level, since the longer BB (and no direct elimination) means more sustained income across the board for cup and league winners.


I disagree & after digesting the news think the following.

Although you get money for wins I would estimate the top 32 would need to go at least 6-2 possibly and I would imagine some 6-2 with poor point differences will be eliminated.

Considering by week 3 its normal to see 75% of BB3 teams eliminated, we should statistically see more injuries to the top teams as they are all playing 8 games. Replacing key injuries is likely to prove tough unless you have provisions & so I predict that we might end up (but hope we won't) with teams that after just 2-3 weeks know they are out of contention for qualifying and this will lead to many walkovers - why risk setting a line up when there is no upside other than a token $50k to win and the potential of a key injury? Also as soon as you know you can't qualify for the final 32, you can lighten your roster to what you require to compete on a domestic level only.

I think that the idea of the new structure is great but in reality there are likely to be a whole load of meaningless fixtures after the first 3-4 games have been played.

With group games as well there is always more chance of making pacts..... you CT him and I'll TIE then you go to beat him etc. You don't set a team so the maximum win is 25-0 whilst I'm confident of beating the Bahamian champs by at least 50.

All in all - I think that more bad from good will come from the change. We're moving from 1 variable (highest wage monsters trading clubs twice weekly) to a whole new can of worms with potential gamesmanship between managers.




Isnt this a bit off topic? I know the B3 changes are relevant to discussion, but this thread is about the changes to the salary in the postseason, isnt it? Though I find B3 slightly interesting, it is a function for less than 1% of the users. It is my understanding that this thread is about the 99.5% of the people effected by the non-B3 issues.

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166665.78 in reply to 166665.77
Date: 12/22/2010 1:57:16 PM
AS Barroom Heroes
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I'll throw this out there to see what kind of opinion it generates..

Currently in my conference (Italian Div.II), the standings look like this:



1 	Stella Rossa Arenzano    18 	3 	2258 	1509 	
2 	AS Barroom Heroes        17 	4 	2105 	1652 	
3 	Umpa Lumpa               12     9 	2117 	1869 	
4 	Polinia2000turate        12 	9 	1906 	1882 	
5 	desiree                  11 	10 	1773 	1599 	
6 	Audace Pescia '74        11 	10 	1877 	1766 	
7 	Dinamo Talarikiev        10     11 	2151 	1979 	
8 	Revolutionary Panthers   6 	15 	1786 	1998



Both 3rd and 4th place teams have already said that if they were to find themselves in the exact same situation ad the end of next season, they would give a walkover in the final match. If I were them, I would too.

Edit: So would the team that is currently 6th (obviously if he were to in the 3rd or 4th place teams' shoes)

Last edited by SpicyMcHaggis™ at 12/22/2010 2:06:59 PM

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166665.79 in reply to 166665.77
Date: 12/22/2010 2:01:43 PM
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Apologies - after i saw the B3 thread I re-posted this there.

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166665.80 in reply to 166665.78
Date: 12/22/2010 2:09:57 PM
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Well, all of you have the right to choose bad decisions

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166665.81 in reply to 166665.70
Date: 12/22/2010 2:30:10 PM
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Is it a draft or a lottery, hard to tell. And not very smart for a team to bank on the draft to make them better.

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Date: 12/22/2010 2:34:02 PM
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Thats what happens in reality all the time - if this shouldnt be the case in this game it would be better to abolish the draft system and install some better alternatives.

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166665.83 in reply to 166665.80
Date: 12/22/2010 3:41:05 PM
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Well, all of you have the right to choose bad decisions

Well, there comes a time when, if lots of experienced people agree that they would all make a certain decision, you might have to wonder if the decision isn't so bad after all...;)

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166665.85 in reply to 166665.83
Date: 12/22/2010 5:23:30 PM
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Yoy forget the fact that one of them could be 6th if both make a WO
Anyway, the difference between being 4th and 5th are 200k (if the 4th is out in the first round). Do you think it's better 200k loosing a week of training than the posibility of win the PO match and better fan survey for next season?
And anyway, in low divisions the difference is even shorter.
And this without taking into account that 3rd and 4th teams that think they have no chances to win the first roung, sell part of their roster, so they pay not so high salaries.
I'm not saying the measure is perfect or that they couldn't be better ones, but I don't think it's so clear that being 5th is better than being 4th

Last edited by Foto at 12/22/2010 5:23:48 PM

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166665.86 in reply to 166665.82
Date: 12/22/2010 5:27:43 PM
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In reality there are salary caps and revenue sharing. Unless you want to go down that route...

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166665.87 in reply to 166665.84
Date: 12/22/2010 5:32:55 PM
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I don't see any reason to "defend" this news. Try to make a stat of the teams that have won the division starting from the 4th place, then check the salary of a top teams and you can see that there is something wrong under the economic point of view. How many games you've to do to earn 700k in the playoff?

Instead of say this is good, try to say why this is good, when 90% of the the people says that probably something is wrong maybe they can have some reasons to say that.
The worst thing in this new benefit for 5th place teams is that we are ruin the "ethic" of the sport, it's quite strange that 90% of people prefer to arrive in the 5th place instead to play playoff.

Last matter; I appreciate that this new has been announced 1 season in advance, due to the fact that we can't do anything to change it, why next time BBs don't try to "promote" a poll listening what the community would like to chose about a similar decision?

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