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From: Stauder

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203956.79 in reply to 203956.78
Date: 12/21/2011 11:04:01 AM
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You have a serious conspiracy theory issue...after reading your last paragraph I'm surprised you didn't mention any other top programs ;). I think OSU is worse than UNC, but less severe than Miami and USC...Penn State, although their issues are far more sickening, are not going to get punishment as it was not an NCAA violation, it was a TERRIBLE violation against human rights and the LAW. If schools got punished for getting arrested then LSU, Florida, Oregon, and others would have been screwed a long time ago. Do I necessarily agree with this? I don't know, but I do know that Penn State's program will be in worse shape because of this occurrence than will Ohio State's.

Now as for OSU, they KNEW when the punishment was coming, however they CHOSE not to levy they bowl ban out of arrogance. Gene Smith should have sat out this year's bowl game but was cocky enough to think they wouldn't get a bowl ban.

Also, You are misconstruing what the NCAA actually handed down just because of the side affects of the cheating. There is only a 1 year bowl ban. Where do you get 2? Again it is pretty ridiculous stating that this season is a bowl ban when A. you are going to a bowl and B. the players that cheated got suspended for cheating. This happens in every case. If a player is caught, they are suspended and in UNC's case they lost better players for longer and all because of agents. I find it hard to complain about this.

As for how much in extra benefits the players got, it is actually close to $15k accounting for the MULTIPLE players that were found to be paid money for hours they did not work. This is the same as handing them cash. Add in the $200 hand shakes and you get 3 SEPARATE occurrences...this played heavily into the NCAA decision.

Now, what you are ignoring is the biggest part of the scandal and that is the cover up and the fact that more came out later which caused the NCAA to hit them with "repeat violator" status. Tressel got what he deserved. a 5 year "show cause" penalty is correct and he isn't even appealing. I am surprised you aren't happy that the man that caused you the bowl ban and the loss of 9 total scholarships is being punished. Too often the coaches get off without anything happening, I for one am glad Tressel did not. The fact that you got a failure to monitor, repeat violator, and covered it up, should make you feel lucky that only 9 scholarships and 1 year of bowls was lost. When it all comes down to it, THAT'S IT. The individuals were punished because of dumb decisions and now the school is for their lack of honesty and "control" so to speak. Yes 3 years probation, BUT what does that actually mean? Not much except don't do anymore cheating for 3 years or you're screwed! lol Sure they took away the wins, but in the grand scheme of things you and all other buckeye fans know you won those games and it wasn't a NC that was lost...that's the only time I think vacated wins hurts.

The reason why I think the punishment was either about right or less severe than I thought (Can't decide) is all because of one issue: Tressel and the players tried to pull a fast one on the NCAA. OU had 2 players get paid for hours they didn't work (Bomar and a lineman that I can't remember), but OU found out themselves, SELF REPORTED, kicked both players off the team, and came clean about it. Since the NCAA's investigation found nothing else wrong they stripped them of the entire season and bowl win. However because of the fact that they were HONEST OU appealed and got all wins back for that season. It's all a matter of honesty, and OSU didn't have that in the beginning.

In the grand scheme of things, this won't hurt OSU. When Miller is a junior they will compete for the Big Ten championship just as USC will next year. The players have been flocking with Urban there and so there is no reason to be frustrated with the NCAA because OSU has nobody to blame but themselves...

From: Stauder

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203956.80 in reply to 203956.79
Date: 12/21/2011 11:17:15 AM
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As for your rant about the SEC....you are probably right that it happens everywhere, but the NCAA can't investigate every kid that has a nice thing or drives a nice car...they don't have the money or the man power and it is all speculation...has to be something substantial. They investigated the Cam Newton thing and believe it or not, Auburn was clean. I live in SEC country and HATE the SEC fans and teams...loathe them, but Miss St. was the one that offered money...now why haven't they been punished? I dunno, I guess because no money changed hands?

The fact you bring up cars is funny since TP had a different one every other week and nothing ever happened to OSU with the car dealership....which was a shock to me considering a fair amount of players were involved. They just couldn't find the paper trail or hard evidence, but when TP drives away in a sweet ride with dealership tags while on camera, everyone knows what's going on you just have to be able to prove it, and the NCAA couldn't in that case. Sure your argument is going to be "well if they couldn't prove it then they did nothing wrong." However isn't that the exact same argument Alabama fans would use? Yet, you are calling them out for cheating because you aren't happy with what happened to your school.

Now, how in the world are you going to throw Mark Richt under the bus???? He was trying to compensate people fairly and what he did was an act of kindness, not an egregious act of trying to knowingly cheat. What competitive advantage did he get? He was still given a secondary violation, which by the rules, is all he was supposed to get.

Man I know you are mad because your program did some dumb things, but I think slinging mud at other programs isn't the way to go....just makes you look bitter. lol

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203956.83 in reply to 203956.1
Date: 12/21/2011 1:13:12 PM
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yall some stupid ass muther fuckers

From: Panic

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203956.84 in reply to 203956.82
Date: 12/21/2011 2:40:43 PM
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Also, it seems a bit fair despite the fact that your new coach was telling Dunn and Co. that there weren't going to be harsh penalties, right? /seen through Maize/Blue glasses

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203956.86 in reply to 203956.85
Date: 12/21/2011 6:45:46 PM
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Exactly, my main problem was with Gee and Smith either getting bad info, or flat out lying (which I hope they weren't stupid enough to do) to those kids. Also, I'd imagine most if not all schools negatively recruit other teams, it's just what goes on.

I agree, having Michigan seemingly back is good for the B1G and college football as a whole. It seems the former unbalance we've had the past couple years is over.

From: Stauder

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203956.87 in reply to 203956.85
Date: 12/22/2011 4:16:58 PM
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As for OSU stuff. The main reason why OSU got the penalty they did is because of JT's cover up. Period. Rightfully so I might add. When you know you cheated and don't report that's going to do you in. Just ask Dez Bryant what dishonesty did for him in a much weaker case. After the cover up they self reported other things....so in your wisdom this makes up for the other? I'm actually surprised the scholly losses weren't worse.

If you want to talk about academic fraud, look at FSU. The case at UNC isn't nearly as bad and their individuals that had contact with agents had much stiffer penalties than your tattoo barterers. As for cars, the burden of proof was not found at OSU but you know as well as I do that illegal benefits happened there...they just covered it up nicely. Is it the same at Bama as you say? Sure, but according to your logic, if they can't prove it then it wasn't illegal.

As for not bringing up OU, that is ridiculous. First off, Stoops has ran a very clean program and is more of a disciplinarian than most other college coaches. He actually disciplines, suspends, and kicks kids off the team...unlike your new coach who was at Florida and let his criminals run around without consequence. Has OU in the past been involved in NCAA violations? Sure. Are they the "dirtiest program every"? Give me a break. The current example with Bomar/Lineman is a GREAT example as to why OSU got what they deserved. If they would have self reported when JT found out AND disciplined their own players then they wouldn't be missing a bowl next year. OU self reported, cooperated with the NCAA, and got rid of the guilty parties.If Herron, Posey, TP, and the D-lineman were punished and JT self reports, then OSU may not have lost 1 scholarship. So for you to write off the OU example because of the Switzer era is ridiculous.

As for a "2 year bowl ban", I think that is a bad way to look at it. Those kids went to the sugar bowl and got a free week in New Orleans plus gifts...are they giving those gifts and experience back? Nope. Are you saying that USC got a 3 year bowl ban instead of 2? I'm not...and it would be exactly the same as your example.

PS, if you don't think Urban Meyer used negative recruiting to flip one PSU commit and land Noah Spence as well then you are crazy.

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