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From: southpaw17

To: Coco
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Date: 2/9/2012 2:13:48 PM
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P.S. I don't mean any of this as casting doubt on your eligibility as a coach. I think all prospective coaches are mostly unaware of this. But decision-fatigue is the #1 reason why NT coaches don't run again I just mean this to rebut your challenge to me that I wouldn't be doing the "important" stuff.


No offense taken. I understand it is a task, and there will be a ton of second guessing. I just feel with the community that the correct decision will be made.

From: SM
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Date: 2/9/2012 4:00:17 PM
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A question to all the candidates,

One of the most important issues with our top players seems to be ‘empty salary’. In other words, what you're paying on a weekly basis doesn't reflect the maximum benefit you can gain from having a player of a given salary.

Take Joe Bronson for instance, one of the best guards in the world. He’s been on the TL for over a week now, the starting bid is down to 2 million, yet he hasn’t received a single bid. Why? It’s not that no one can afford him, the problem is that he’s not efficient relative to his salary. You could essentially pay the same 308k for a player that has all the skills of Bronson, plus 20 ID and 20 SB.

Naturally, it’s impossible to train a player like that, but the point is that an efficient player sells for significantly more on the TL, benefits a club team significantly more, and would give us an edge over other NT’s. Just as a small edge in primaries gives a big advantage, so too, though perhaps to a lesser extent, does an edge in secondaries.

So, my question is, will you try to encourage the creation of players that are more efficient relative to their salary, and if so, how? Additionally, do you feel that there is a difference in how an NT player should be developed early on as opposed to a U21 player?

From: southpaw17

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Date: 2/9/2012 4:23:01 PM
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As I wrote in a previous post...
I think number 3 is the way to go, however its going to take some time to where we can get there. I know a few managers have talked about taking on the project of developing some of the specialty players which is awesome because as proved by poland, specialty players can pose problems but when push comes to shove the only way to make it successful is to still have the meat and potatoes type guards and big guys as a base and then mix in those specialty players to create the advantage they were designed for.
... I too believe that secondaries are a way we can close the gap on the rest of the world.

Additionally, do you feel that there is a difference in how an NT player should be developed early on as opposed to a U21 player?


I do... And I'm implementing that with my pf prospect. Right now the standard is to pump primaries early and get to secondaries later.... I don't agree with this for 2 reasons...

1. For our specialty guys they most likely aren't going to make the U21 anyway so I think getting secondaries trained first is critical because often it is gonna train slower and so while they are young get them pumped out ASAP.

2. The idea of going back and training secondaries last is asinine for the simple reason that you have a huge salaried player that is already hurting your team economy and now you have to play them out of position so they are hurting your team further? C'mon. Get the secondaries done in their first season to season and a half and then pump the primaries. This would apply to everyone but mostly pf's and inside playable guards.

Edit/side note

I think #2 is the reason our bigs fall short... We get them to the point where they are on the fringe of being on the NT and then we tell the manager we need you to play your center at pg to get a passing pop or he doesnt have enough handling etc. And they get frustrated because they have been following our training plan and its still not good enough.

Last edited by southpaw17 at 2/9/2012 4:48:31 PM

From: SM

To: Coco
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Date: 2/9/2012 5:00:29 PM
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Finally and more experimentally it may be worthwhile to create some players whose major offensive asset is neither js nor is but driving.


That's an intriguing idea, especially considering the relative affordability of driving. What sort of overall skills would you have in mind for such a player?

From: evmyster9

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Date: 2/9/2012 5:22:55 PM
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Lots of respect to you Coco your team is historically good and you have my vote for this election my goal is to be a part of a national team in the near future as my Iowa State Cyclones continue to progress. Good luck to you this election

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