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226711.78 in reply to 226711.77
Date: 9/13/2012 2:37:23 PM
Spartan 300
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Hmm all your experience is a quote from BB-Patrick? You think all what you read is exactly so?

How can you explain then that 95% (lets say) good managers (and NT teams) play in almost all their games LI? I will tell you why, because its OP (over power)

I have experimented as i said, in 1st League of my country, 6-8 seasons with NT, 4 seasons in B3, in a PL and etc, a normal team can't have all skills to stop this, they just need to fix that 2-3 zone to work better, or we will be playing in the future a game called LI Beater.

I have no problem with that, have a strong LI team, own in my country, but its too funny when someone like you tell that the 2-3 is normal in function. I've run 2-3 successfully in B3 and I still say that this zone is too week.

You think you can have high IS ID RB SB.. on your 2 Bigs? Yep if you can pay a salary for one player around 300k or more, than it would be easy, we all could stop the LI easy.

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226711.79 in reply to 226711.78
Date: 9/13/2012 2:55:44 PM
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I hope you read part "You will have to have the players to play a tactic effectively".


You think you can have high IS ID RB SB.. on your 2 Bigs? Yep if you can pay a salary for one player around 300k or more, than it would be easy, we all could stop the LI easy.


It is the most common argument in shotblocking debate. Maybe there is no need to have such high IS or RB (maybe guards could have higher?). Remember 1 IS pop up = 2 SB pop up in salary and potential.

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226711.81 in reply to 226711.80
Date: 9/13/2012 5:49:09 PM
Spartan 300
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OK , I read your post carefully and I have some question.

Why do you play with your NT LI tactics?
Play Outside tactics with those C that are you talking about, low IS and bigger SB RB and ID?
What have you done with your club with that training?

All that what are you talking about is nice, but why do this if I have success with an other strategy? Honestly I build my team so as the Engine works, buy players for that tactics that works, and play them, I can say that isn't bad for me, in last 3-4 seasons i got 1 Cup and 2 Titles in my Country.

In last 3 seasons I lost 1 regular match in League, so the score is 65-1, would you honestly change your style of play, would you buy defensive players with higher SB? Would you change your style of playing?
I don't go just with Inside tactics, but they are the most efficient, and if you say that's not true, you are wrong.

So my arguments don't fail in practice. I have success like other teams that play the similar style. What have you done with your team with those other style of playing, win a 3rd League of your country? Other players should play so and build their teams so? I guess not.
No hard feelings, you just need more experience.

This is where we hold them!
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226711.82 in reply to 226711.81
Date: 9/13/2012 6:23:42 PM
Freccia Azzurra
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Coming back to the salary cap I'm against it, I think this is the only way to "force" teams of small countries to waste some money. Having a salary cap means to give them possibility to collect a lot of money every season. Leaving the salary free it can happens that this kind of teams will win the BBB but then they have to stay "hidden" for few seasons.

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226711.83 in reply to 226711.81
Date: 9/13/2012 9:08:57 PM
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So my arguments don't fail in practice. I have success like other teams that play the similar style. What have you done with your team with those other style of playing, win a 3rd League of your country? Other players should play so and build their teams so? I guess not.
No hard feelings, you just need more experience.


Right on! Man was successful riding on horseback and everyone did it with great success. Why would anyone bother inventing the automobile or airplane? Just complain to your horse breeders if you don't like their speed, since there's no reason whatsoever to try something other than what has been proven to work.

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226711.86 in reply to 226711.85
Date: 9/13/2012 10:00:27 PM
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so manon a 10/17/14/10 big man would do better than a 14/15/13/11 big man eh? I don't think think so. points my friend. thats the only stat that BB counts, yeah defense is good but do people really want a BIG gap from it? I personelly hate when skillls are BIG gaped. I'd go for more balanced than D.

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226711.87 in reply to 226711.85
Date: 9/13/2012 10:22:32 PM
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Big difference: the "pioneers" in this case are doing stuff that's been already done with mixed results.
Now, I know that everyone thinks of themselves as blazing trails, but the next time I hear that all you need to make 2-3 work is SB at C and OD at PF, my head is going to explode.


And it very well might not work. But the whole argument that it can't be done because nobody's doing it and it's always been done this way is simply the lazy way out. Obviously, people can build a team that's capable of winning with LI, and that's fine for them. But that doesn't mean that everyone should accept it as an article of faith that there's simply nothing that can be done but to follow the LI/M2M drumbeat.

I think my problem with the discussion is not so much the contention that LI/M2M is the most effective method right now - because given the builds of the players out there the results clearly indicate that it works. My problem isn't even with the people who say other things are "unproven" - because, naturally, they are. But what I don't accept is the dogma that nothing else CAN work - there's certainly insufficient evidence to make a sweeping proclamation like that, yet anyone who suggests that they may be interested in doing that themselves is told "you just need more experience" and pointed to the fact that everyone is doing LI/M2M now as if anything other than jumping to the back of the line is foolhardy.

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226711.88 in reply to 226711.86
Date: 9/13/2012 10:27:15 PM
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so manon a 10/17/14/10 big man would do better than a 14/15/13/11 big man eh? I don't think think so. points my friend. thats the only stat that BB counts, yeah defense is good but do people really want a BIG gap from it? I personelly hate when skillls are BIG gaped. I'd go for more balanced than D.


So what you're saying is a guy with 51 skill points in inside skills isn't going to do as well as one with 53? That's revolutionary!

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