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Maybe you are missing all the points.

But I want to make sure that anyone who lists the player, has a plan to actually sell him

Why? It could be useful for other reasons. And if I want to put a palyer on TL not wanting to sell him, I can overprice him, why not? As long as I report if someone bid accidentally (come on how often that happens) there is nothing wrong with it.

And on the other hand why should be managaers pushed to sell players ASAP? If I don't want to sell a player for less than X because he is worth at least that for me it si completely fine. In this case I am eithe desillusional or sooner or later market evolves the way I can sell him for that price or someone needs such a players badly and I would be at the right place at the right time.

With the suggestion, market could become much more dead , silent and unpleasant place because it would be a buyers' market even more and that would lead to less amount of player on the market (with the exception of high salary players their clubs cannot afford to have anymore).

When something is working well it needs to be changed obviously, I don't get this.

Disclaimer - I'm not buying or selling much (as you can check).

I can overprice him, why not? As long as I report if someone bid accidentally (come on how often that happens) there is nothing wrong with it.

Accidental bids do not happen often but those highly listed players will get bid on by managers who are not very familiar with correct prices. You have a player worth about 1mil and you keep him listed at 2mil constantly, hoping some dumbo might bid on him. I find it against fair play and if it sells you gain an unfair advantage. There are plenty of managers who do not report their overpriced transfers. If there were no cheaters in this game we would not need to report anything. There were a lot of cheaters in Estonia for example. Now that we have got rid of most of the multimanagers and money transferers, it's time to move on to click fishers and overpricers. It would help to lessen GM work considerably.
I already said it does not influence the market, it hopefully removes the overpriced players or lowers their initial price. Decently priced players still keep selling like normal.
If you do not want to sell your player do not list him. If you want to get the best price for your player, list him at the most users online time and before playoff. Perhaps there are also more listers at that time and you might still not sell him at "your price" anyway.
I have no problem with managers that list a player (let's say 1mil value) at 2mil. He does not sell. Ok, I'll try at 1,5mil. Will not sell. Ok I'll try 1,1 mil. Sold. I have problems with managers that keep listing him at 2mil and will not sell for weeks/months. First manager pays 35k not sold tax and sells his player. Second manager get's 60k tax and hopefully has learned his lesson.
I know overpricing is a problem. Handleing the reports on those managers is a work load problem for GM-s. With this change we could actually get back that "report this transfer" addition.
If I sell one of my backups for 3mil after 3 weeks. It's not the correct price. I abused the system knowingly overpricing my transfer. Now I could get caught in my league as it is fairly active. But if noone notices or noone cares to report, I just call myself lucky and buy myself a new starter or 2.

You are rejecting that other users have the right to evaluate players differently than you that's the problem. Martket is evolving and prices are not stable. Different teams have different needs, different structure and values different things differently.

You have a player worth about 1mil and you keep him listed at 2mil constantly, hoping some dumbo might bid on him.

I certainly don't. You should appologize.

If you do not want to sell your player do not list him

It is allowed by the rules so why I shouldn't list any player I want? As the players is mine at the time, I have every right to reveal his skills this way if I want. I don't use it that way but I can imagine situations where it could be useful (and wouldn't have any realtion to transfer). This game provides more than one way to success and I don't think unnecessary limitation reducing diversity of possible moves in the game should be added at all.

1 million is relatively small differnec in certain players, if we rule out a bit useless oplayers who could be sold at 1M at best.

Most importantly - manual is at times not updated, few important things were announced by news only (now lost). If I was a newbie putting a player market with a bit optimistic price and would be taxed for that as a surprise (no matter whether I could read about somewhere or not, people regularly ask about basic things) it would be very dissapointing. I'm afraid such a feature would make new users "mortality" higher than it is now which I'm sure is not in Buzzerbeaters interest. And I know myself I would think twice whether I want to paly a game which wants me to know specific correct value of a player before listing him on TL - because otherwise I would make a suboptimal move hurting my team more or less. Excluding that with changing prices such a thing is impossible and with dvelopped players even experinced managers like for example Crazy-Eye are not confident waht the price range of particular players are. This would change the market, change the perception of the game for questionable benefits at best.

You have a player worth about 1mil and you keep him listed at 2mil constantly, hoping some dumbo might bid on him.

This was not about you... it was an example.

This game provides more than one way to success and I don't think unnecessary limitation reducing diversity of possible moves in the game should be added at all.

So you are saying taxing daytraders is wrong aswell? If you want to let people know about your players skills, why not bb-mail them.

1 million is relatively small differnec in certain players

Do you even understand what an example is?

a bit optimistic price

What is your understanding of a bit optimistic price? BTW if you had read this suggestion thoroughly you would have known that I suggested keeping newbies free of tax for the duration of 50k bonus weeks.

specific correct value

You are making this look like if you do not exactly hit the mark you will die horrible death of bankrupcy. Comon now. If you are uncertain of the player value, list him at the lower end of TPE, if you do not have TPE, make a transfer list search with similar skills, find player that has been bid on and list him at that price or little below. Your game is not over when you do not receive absolute maximum price or a bit over for your player. This tax does not touch players listed for correct value or lower (as those players will be bid on). What do you recon is the average listing value? 300k, 500k, 1mil? Even if it would be at 1mil, 10k tax will hardly bankrupt anyone. Doing this over and over again (2 times a week for 2 months) makes it roughly 160k tax. That's enough to prevent someone from fishing.
I think a new player will rather quit after knowing he blew all his first season earnings on a crappy player. He will not quit because of this small tax that will probably not even influence him.

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/2/2010 6:41:15 PM

I admire your persistence but there are bigger concerns on the transfer list right now.

What do you do about nations that see a rival NT player on the list and then conspire to make sure that someone in their country buys him and then over/under plays him so that his GS drops?

What do you do about departing teams that legitimately buy a player before they leave so that they can assist their NT?

I've said my part here there are many reasons (within the rules) and I am satisfied that the perennial sellers that you feel list above market rates with the clear intention to fleece a noob have appropriate action taken on them. (by the policing of the transfer list by players such as you and I).

If there were no cheaters in this game we would not need to report anything. There were a lot of cheaters in Estonia for example. Now that we have got rid of most of the multimanagers and money transferers, it's time to move on to click fishers and overpricers. It would help to lessen GM work considerably.

But your suggestion doesn’t solve this problem at all.
Even if this two teams put the player on TL for right price (f.e. 1M), they can arrange transfer for much higher price (f.e. 5M) as overpriced.

I admire persistency even if you read too many arguments against your suggestion (included opinions of top managers like SuperflyGuy or CrazyEye). But unfortunately I have to say you are not able to listen in arguments of the others. There is hardly any argument you have accepted.

It's all about you don't want to see overpriced players. But the system is not designed like that and I think BBs don't matter it. Maybe next you will come with canceling of starting price and putting all players at $1 and market makes the prices (then there were no overpriced players without bid, except these whose are not work even $1).

Last edited by rwystyrk at 5/4/2010 8:59:49 AM

Even if this two teams put the player on TL for right price (f.e. 1M), they can arrange transfer for much higher price (f.e. 5M) as overpriced.

Like many of the "arguments" here this has nothing to do with my suggestion, it would be actually nice if you would understand what I am proposing here. You are talking about blatant cheating and money transfer between teams.
I think I have made my case here. It's all up to BB's to decide. Only they have the info to back my suggestion up or to discard it.

Like many of the "arguments" here this has nothing to do with my suggestion, it would be actually nice if you would understand what I am proposing here. You are talking about blatant cheating and money transfer between teams.

Not me, but you. I was only reacting on your message. So than I don't understand why you put this sentence to this forum if it's not your argument.

I think I have made my case here. It's all up to BB's to decide. Only they have the info to back my suggestion up or to discard it.

But maybe you should rename your suggestion. Because your original requirement sound for me "I don't want to see overpriced players at TL." And this is the issue, whether BB-staff agree or disagree with it. And if they agree there are different ways how to achieve this. Even if I hope they disagree.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 5/4/2010 10:57:28 AM

I'm going to explain this to you again...

Even if this two teams put the player on TL for right price (f.e. 1M), they can arrange transfer for much higher price (f.e. 5M) as overpriced.

I am talking about teams that list their player high. These players look for one bid. Usually their players do not get sold, but they keep them listed constantly. They would not win anything if they list at correct price and let their friend bid it up -> why? because if noone else bids on that player his friend just loses money and the point of getting the player price high get's lost.
So please do not try to change my suggestion into something that it is not. My suggestion is concentrated on these high listers only. Catching money transfer multimanagers and band of money transfer managers is a whole other matter and they have a pattern you can monitor and convict on. If you want you can create your own suggestion for their taxation or whatever.
If you still did not understand what this suggestion is about then drop me a bb-mail.

I am talking about teams that list their player high. These players look for one bid. Usually their players do not get sold, but they keep them listed constantly. They would not win anything if they list at correct price and let their friend bid it up -> why? because if noone else bids on that player his friend just loses money and the point of getting the player price high get's lost.

Im following this conversation and still think that tax for not-sold player isnt a good idea. However sounds reasonable to me if there would be aditional disadvantage for "constant listers". Something like if player is putted on TL more than 3 times in a month, his GS will drop down.

The main reason why not aditional financial penalty is for me still the same - managers which develop unusual players would be penalised just because they are waiting for someone who understand an demand for unusual skills. The ones who could understand that, are not only beyond these, which are tracking TL all day long...

I am talking about teams that list their player high. These players look for one bid. Usually their players do not get sold, but they keep them listed constantly. They would not win anything if they list at correct price and let their friend bid it up -> why? because if noone else bids on that player his friend just loses money and the point of getting the player price high get's lost.

Im following this conversation and still think that tax for not-sold player isnt a good idea. However sounds reasonable to me if there would be aditional disadvantage for "constant listers". Something like if player is putted on TL more than 3 times in a month, his GS will drop down.

The main reason why not aditional financial penalty is for me still the same - managers which develop unusual players would be penalised just because they are waiting for someone who understand an demand for unusual skills. The ones who could understand that, are not only beyond these, which are tracking TL all day long...

or he los 5% of his home game income ;) This strategy isn't for free today.