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Hey guys! Just wanted to jump in too! Anyway, concerning the people talking about following the commandments of the Old Testament, when Jesus died on the cross the Mosaic law was broken. The Mosaic law (OT law) was for people to understand their sin and recognize it, but now we have been given the Holy Spirit to live in us and convict us.

Also, I agree wholeheartedly with Nateillo and hrudley. God is a God of love, he loves all people but hates sin. It's not the people that we disagree with in themselves, it is the sin. I sin. Every single day of my life I fall short of the glory of God but the GRACE in that is He still loves me and wants a relationship with me.

I don't think it is wrong for a man to love another man. Paul and Timothy, for example, loved each other deeply and it was brotherly and real. What I think is sin is the homosexual acts when lustful impulses take over in a person. Some people struggle with those impulses, and some people openly relish in them. It's just like any other struggle one may have with alcohol, lust with a woman, etc. Each sin is sin and none is greater than the other.

So, a man and a woman can have a non-lustful, physical relationship that is ok by your standards, but there's no way that a same sex couple can have the same? Meaning ALL physical relationships between same sex couples are sins.

That seems a bizarre, non-sensical, and just messed up conclusion to me.

I appreciate your feedback.

But one thing confuses me here. If the Mosaic law was broken, why do people still use Leviticus as the justification for saying this particular behavior is sinful? Why are all the other laws broken, but not that one?

I appreciate your feedback.

But one thing confuses me here. If the Mosaic law was broken, why do people still use Leviticus as the justification for saying this particular behavior is sinful? Why are all the other laws broken, but not that one?

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Leviticus is used. ..... was that part of the Mosaic law or a direct command from our heavy father?
Don't forget the three scriptures provided that are in the new testament.
And true of the point of when Christ died for our sins n that made the Mosaic law null and void.
But to the (Orthodox) of Jewish heritage.... that point is not recognized.. the impact of Christ death I mean. . So they still observe the Mosaic law and all the oral traditions that they view is law.

No I never said I think it's okay for a man and woman to have a non-lustful, physical relationship. Only a physical relationship if they are married.

What's a non-lustful physical relationship? Boxing? Hand shaking?

On a more serious note, where does Leviticus come down on happy endings?

So then you're ok with same sex, married couples having a physical relationship, right?

Say there are two couples, committed to one another, who do the same things. Live together, love each other, raise families together, have a mortgage together, grow old together, etc etc. One couple is opposite sex partners, and the other is same sex. Are they both morally ok, or not? If not, then why?

EDIT- this is what I meant by "non-lustful, physical relationship", but that wasn't particularly clear.

Last edited by Tangosz at 5/2/2013 1:34:38 PM

Thanks for the clarification!

I see what you are saying but the fact that no one can remember when they chose their sexual preference apparently cannot be counted as logical evidence that there is no choice involved? I'd say its compelling evidence and I'd say the opposing argument has nearly zero evidence.

Also you're saying that theoretically its possible to choose our sexual preference when we are too young to remember it. As a psychologist who works exclusively with children, I find the idea that toddlers or developing children could possibly choose what gender they will feel attracted to when they are older the least logical or likely concept. No legitimate psychologist would even propose such an idea.

This part is my speculation based on my experience working with kids, but if developing children could choose at such a young age where they wouldn't remember later, the gay and lesbian population would be huuuge. For the most part boys and girls don't like each other or find things in common until muuuch later in their development.

Last edited by jfarb at 5/2/2013 5:04:33 PM