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Agreed here.

The idea being that what Poland D1 is doing has nothing to do with real transfer list value changing over 10 days (because we know it's not that volatile). Even at high and low activity times you're not gonna see a +3,333% difference in market pricing in those times within that short of a period.

This is seen also because there was no market competition on your player that sold for 400k. There was 1 bid by 1 manager, that's it. I can go on and bid 400k for a player on the TL, does that mean they are worth 400k, no.

See the above comment:

I guarantee, if they listed them for $1 and, really, I mean really, let the market decide their value, they wouldn't be selling for 100 and 100ks of dollars. These players are not in bid wars at the high price. its 1 bid, then sold to the unknown buyer. But hey, lets not be honest here. Lets go hide behind the guise of "real market value." lmao (and YOU DON'T KNOW!)

As for storing the other 8 youngsters, that was you that counted them in your explanation. I'm not on that genius level of math so you can explain it to me.

Which problem are we trying to solve here?

The daytraders or the inexperienced users gifting money?

Solving the last one, means capping new users o limit them in some way so they can't miss big, which is hard.

Solving the first one IMHO, is doable. How would I limit daytrading?:

Establishing selling limitations

Instead of messing with player valuation and reports (I was a GM before, been there, done that), I would apply some limitations.

For e.g., you can't sell a freshly bought player unless (whichever happens first):

* It achieves a minimum player role of X
* Gets injured
* Stays on the team for a minimmum of Y weeks.
* Your finance is in red numbers or your weekly economy isn't profitable
* Player isn't top five on your payroll.

I imagine a minimmum player role of (4)rotation player. Of course some tweaking of the pace on which the status varies could help, but this would force the team to lineup the recently bought player in official games.
So if you want to daytrade, you still can do it but you have to carry the burden of having a bad player on your games.
This also serves as a limit to how many players you can sell while doing this, since you can't field every bought player.

Again, this is a matter of what are we trying to solve here.
I'm playing BB since Season 2, and the market value rules where meant for cheaters, not for daytraders.
Limiting daytrading with the actual rules, enforcing a theoretically market value to apply fines, is short-sighted at best IMO.
And the backlash on this thread is absolutely justified (and I hate daytrading).

Last edited by Kainan-Maki at 5/11/2022 12:59:30 PM

I will clarify a few things as I think I understand where you are coming from in your argument:

1. I think what you're doing is smart and requires being very active (I wish I had thought of it)

2. I'm not against buying at a low point and selling at a high point to make money.

3. The transfers of these young players with high potential a few weeks apart for sometimes 10x as much money are not about playing the market. They are about playing less knowledgeable and new users. I don't think this is a good thing for BB and I don't want this to be the go to way to make money (though I'll do it if it is). It seems like you think it is fine way to gain an advantage and should be a part of the game. This is where we disagree.

Here lets check the receipts on a few transfers that are what I believe the BB's are talking about and what I think aren't right. Feel free to defend these however you want, I just want it to be clear what I am talking about.

Oct. 7, 2021 You purchased Peter Phuan for $31,00 (hall of fame potential)
Oct. 28, 2021 You sell Peter Phuan for $350,000

In the 3 weeks on your team Peter Phuan never receives 48 minutes of training. He is bought by a new team. He plays 0 games for this new team and they go bot.

Oct. 7, 2021 You purchased Besar Paqarizi for $68,000 (hall of fame potential)
Dec 1, 2021 You sell Besar Paqarizi for $229,000

Besar Paqarizi receives limited training on your team (full training some weeks). He is bought by a new team. He plays 0 minutes for this team and they go bot.

July 1, 2021 You purchased Thibault Nivet for $82,700 (hall of famer potential)
August 8, 2021 You sell Thibault Nivet for $249,000

Thibault Nivet receives limited training on your team in the one month. He is bought by a new team. He plays 2 games for this new team and then is fired.

I can keep looking, but these are the types of transfers I'm against. It is no secret that new players overrate potential. Should we be able to exploit this as experienced users? I don't think that is a good idea.