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110979.8 in reply to 110979.6
Date: 9/24/2009 9:58:21 PM
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you should also check the strength of the league those SFs on the transfer market are from....the same SF will have different ratings if he played in NBBA vs if he played in India D.III

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110979.9 in reply to 110979.8
Date: 9/24/2009 11:37:56 PM
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Would he? I don't think this is accurate. He would certianly have different statistics, but I think the player ratings are independent.


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110979.10 in reply to 110979.9
Date: 9/25/2009 3:16:48 AM
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I highly doubt this. Last season my C and PF got ratings of 10+ against every team but one. When I played him, the ratings dropped to 8.5-9.5. So, the opposition clearly has something to do with the ratings. (Gameshape varied between strong and proficient the entire season, so that can be ruled out)

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110979.11 in reply to 110979.10
Date: 9/25/2009 3:38:09 AM
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Are you speaking about Broekman? Because if you take a look at his season 9 stats, he began getting 8.5, 7.5, 9.5 etc. before going up to 10+. This season he is already up to 10, after starting at 8.5. You are the only team that has played him, seeing as you drafted him in season 6.

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110979.12 in reply to 110979.10
Date: 9/25/2009 3:46:25 AM
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I highly doubt this. Last season my C and PF got ratings of 10+ against every team but one. When I played him, the ratings dropped to 8.5-9.5. So, the opposition clearly has something to do with the ratings. (Gameshape varied between strong and proficient the entire season, so that can be ruled out)


such differences usually comes from different enthusiam, which has a big effect on rating. Also it could happen through playtime, because usually backup get better rating, so if he a div 1 backup, or div 3 starter could also amke the difference.

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110979.13 in reply to 110979.11
Date: 9/25/2009 6:12:57 AM
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Broekman has had 16 games in a row with 10.0+ and the in the finals he scored a 9.5 and a 8.5. This makes the point that Arabian knight made stronger.

The same player can get higher ratings according to enthusiasm but also the opponents. A team with a very strong SF in a lower division can probably play TIE more often, thus higher ratings. Consequently, since that team will get higher scores (blowouts & such) , that player plays less minutes which again increases the rating.

However, if that same player is a starter in a very strong league, he will play against harder opponents, stay in the court more minutes and the team probably has less enthusiasm, so the SF rating go down.

Or am I entirely wrong about this reasoning?

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110979.14 in reply to 110979.13
Date: 9/25/2009 6:35:04 AM
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Broekman has had 16 games in a row with 10.0+ and the in the finals he scored a 9.5 and a 8.5. This makes the point that Arabian knight made stronger.

The same player can get higher ratings according to enthusiasm but also the opponents. A team with a very strong SF in a lower division can probably play TIE more often, thus higher ratings. Consequently, since that team will get higher scores (blowouts & such) , that player plays less minutes which again increases the rating.

However, if that same player is a starter in a very strong league, he will play against harder opponents, stay in the court more minutes and the team probably has less enthusiasm, so the SF rating go down.

Or am I entirely wrong about this reasoning?

You are right,but there's nothing of something new in it :D

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110979.15 in reply to 110979.13
Date: 9/25/2009 9:28:41 AM
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The same player can get higher ratings according to enthusiasm but also the opponents. A team with a very strong SF in a lower division can probably play TIE more often, thus higher ratings.


i think it is a think about mentality, many of the top teams take care of an high enthusiam, and very few team play ever tie(which is i think not good, ins ome rare leagues it could make sense if you spot only one rival). Also top team sometime have it easier to reach the high enthusiam because they are in average longer in the cup, and mostly play tie in them.

Consequently, since that team will get higher scores (blowouts & such) , that player plays less minutes which again increases the rating.


I don't see higher rating after blowouts(till fourth quarter the minutes are nearly the same, and i believe he get mcuh energie back in the quarter breaks), and till that the minutes are pretty the same so i don't beieve that will advance. Also this only counts for superior teams in their leagues, and having a good sf doesn't mean that this is true, because you field 5 players.
Maybe even the SF rest longer in a top team, because you have an better backup who will get more minutes.

overall i think with similiar gs and enthusiam the player will perform as good in league 3 then 1 only looking at the rating, for stats i believe league 3 will give him an advantage.

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110979.16 in reply to 110979.13
Date: 9/25/2009 11:30:06 AM
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The same player can get higher ratings according to enthusiasm but also the opponents. A team with a very strong SF in a lower division can probably play TIE more often, thus higher ratings. Consequently, since that team will get higher scores (blowouts & such) , that player plays less minutes which again increases the rating.

However, if that same player is a starter in a very strong league, he will play against harder opponents, stay in the court more minutes and the team probably has less enthusiasm, so the SF rating go down.



This I can see, but the fact that it is a higher division is purely coincidental to the cause.
The lower enthusiasm and more minutes (depending on stamina) are the cause for lower rating. So while it is common for the scenarios you mention to happen in stronger leagues and higher divisions, a player with high enthusiasm and low minutes (depending on stamina) will have a higher rating than one with low stamina and copious minutes, given equal skills and game shapes no matter what league or division they play in. That's what I think anyway.

Last season my highest rated games (both team and player) game against the two best teams in the division.
(13510927)
(13510919)
(15106201)

All three of these games came in a row. You can see that I played the same team twice. He Crunch Timed in both games while I normaled the first game and CT'd the second. My players rated much better than his in the second game.

Right after those games my enthusiasm was much lower and I had a miserable game against a lower quality opponent.
(15079482)


From these games it seems to me that enthusiasm, game shape, stamina, and skills are what affect the player rating, not opponent.

Last edited by somdetsfinest at 9/25/2009 11:33:02 AM

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110979.17 in reply to 110979.16
Date: 9/25/2009 3:11:20 PM
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The same player can get higher ratings according to enthusiasm but also the opponents. A team with a very strong SF in a lower division can probably play TIE more often, thus higher ratings. Consequently, since that team will get higher scores (blowouts & such) , that player plays less minutes which again increases the rating.

However, if that same player is a starter in a very strong league, he will play against harder opponents, stay in the court more minutes and the team probably has less enthusiasm, so the SF rating go down.



This I can see, but the fact that it is a higher division is purely coincidental to the cause.

it'sno purely coincidental,because in higher league you will find better players,but generalkly you have the reason

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110979.18 in reply to 110979.16
Date: 9/25/2009 9:07:05 PM
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From these games it seems to me that enthusiasm, game shape, stamina, and skills are what affect the player rating, not opponent.



I do not think that is true and the evidence you provide does not prove it at all.

I do think the opponent has an important effect on player ratings as well as tactics.

Same player with same stamina and GS facing a much more better opponent with a defense tactic that undermines him and an offensive rival tactic focused to explote this will definetively have an impact on his contribution to the team performance.

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