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Indeed my SG, has very good JS/JR, 7 on DR, 3 on PA.

The passing is a killer for your offensive flow. It is most likely why he took so many shots - he can't pass and was left with no other option. I have seen similar results on SGs with low flow related skills.

Maybe it is just me, but I like 9-10 passing/handling (or more) on my SG and SF in the new engine.

Also, 2-3 zone is no longer a viable defense. You weaken your perimeter defense too much, and perimeter defense is king in the new engine. Man-to-man is the new 2-3 zone.

with those weak 2-3 defence i like the inside tactics again, i use it when i am a favorit and i don't get those problems like running into a 1-3-1 Zone with motion or run and gun.

PS: and you don't need a proficient flow, i have good result with my average till respectable flow, on a high level.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 11/24/2009 1:59:39 PM

Well for the next season my target is to upgrade my SF position (again) and next my SG, with some1 more all around
Until then i pray for Atmatzidis injury (his best player) to repeat. If not...well the cup is nice too :)

PS: and you don't need a proficient flow, i have good result with my average till respectable flow, on a high level.

I have had pretty good success with an average-respectable flow this season, too - but only when I don't use an inside offense. Well, unless I go against an opponent with a lessor outside d rating.

Yes, an inside offense against a 2-3 zone certainly works better than an inside offense against man to man. It is because the 2-3 zone weakens the perimeter d, making it easier to hit the short jump shots.

Here is the issue as I see it:

Let's say in a base offense you can put up respectable in outside and inside scoring. If you go to an inside offense, this brings your outside scoring down to a high mediocre or a low average, but pushes your inside offense up to maybe prominent. The trouble is, less than half your shots will actually be inside shots. The rest of your shots will be modified with your crappy outside scoring rating. Many more will be driving shots for your guards - which is usually not good.

Now, if you go outside instead, let's say you can now put up a proficient outside scoring. The inside scoring rating is no big deal - you only get 20-25% of your shots on the inside. Maybe another 20-25% are 3s, 20-25% long jumpers and 20-25% short jumpers. That means 75-80% of the shots are using your great outside scoring rating.

So, to sum up, when you are talking about teams that can post a respectable or higher outside d rating:

man is the new 2-3 zone
push the ball is the new look inside
patient is the new low post

Hmm...food for thinking...I have experiment with push the ball and it was great against the teams that i could win easily, but didnt help at all on the crucial games.

From what u r saying, ppl that are playing LI, are dump and it makes the big men relative useless if u want to focus u r offense on them, so training IS, is not that important, and is better to focus to have great G's rather a great Bigs. Well i dont like that at all...and i feel that its unfair...

I have experiment with push the ball and it was great against the teams that i could win easily, but didnt help at all on the crucial games.

Fast pace = higher scoring game in general. That doesn't necessarily mean it is a better option for you... Against tough defenses slower pace seems to work better this season.

I didn't say big men are useless now. However, their usefulness has certainly diminished from a season ago in my eyes. Also, if you play a straight up offense, you should still get a fair number of inside looks, without compromising your outside shooting too much. That's why I'm saying it may be the best way to somehow get an inside offense going.

For people who don't believe me, take a look at my season so far. I have the lowest salaries in my division (with the exception of 2 bot teams and 1 team that can't win) - the reason is I have no threat inside. And it is a division with some serious heavy weights. Last season I would probably be toast but this season I am doing ok.


Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 11/24/2009 3:11:09 PM

Well, i have played some games run and gun too. My best C and maybe the best C in Cyprus right now(doesnt say much, we are very small community) his scoring unusually low for his strength ( 14 IS, 4 JS). My PF with 10 JS, 12 IS will score a lot on any system that i will play. He cant D thought only 9 there. Anyway in NBA its a reason that are saying that u cant teach the height and i will say again that is unfair the guards to have an adv vs the big men, and in general to the ppl that are training big men. In the history of the NBA i can remember only Jordan's Bulls to win it all without having a dominant big. If u r right certainly changes must be made, to give some balance on that

If u r right certainly changes must be made, to give some balance on that

I am sure many will comment that I'm wrong and it is all about flow... That's the refrain that has been thrown on us for the moment. Maybe it is, I don't know. However, even if it is all about the flow, it still is not balanced between outside and inside tactics. If high levels of outside d shut down an inside offense and 2-3 zones don't work, there is an issue, at least to me.

I was pretty happy with how the engine was balanced last season. The only thing that maybe needed a tweak was the advantage of playing a pure C at SF in a look inside... But this seems to have gone too far and made outside offenses too powerful vs their inside counterparts.

Exactly my thinking. BTW i wish i had 10M to buy u r SF. Batsinilas (my SF prospect) has Wendon as idol and wants to be like him.

Anyway i just hope the game owners will listen the big men screams, and do something about that

Batsinilas (my SF prospect) has Wendon as idol and wants to be like him.

Do you mean Mpatsinilas? He looks like a good prospect but I'm starting to realize that allstar potential is not fantastic if you want to build a world class SF. Wendon hit his soft cap at some point this season - this week will be the 6th week that I have trained OD. I even suspect that his training started to slow at some point last season.

I like my other trainee - Vacirca - much better. Eventually he will pass Wendon. ;-)

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: inept
Driving: atrocious Passing: pitiful
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: inept

Thats my SF prospect, and expecting pop up this week on IS. Its hard to get his pass more than 3-4 and his driving more than 4-5, but on JS/OD/ID/RE i want to be like Wendon, so i think its possible even with his low potential. What u think?