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but maybe the pace and tactics affect those decrease, Josef post in the last part of his parrot monologes that outside tactics reduce the effect of flow and outside defence decline for example and he explained it with stamina loss of the uards through this tactics(just a guess, but often his guesses are good). In this thread or in the chase for formula Charles mention also, that stamina decline also was affected from opposing game plan.

I believe what kozlodoev is saying is that the Stamina Skill Decreasement is not affected by the tactics you had played (like some people thought that playing FCP will accelerate the rith at wich stamina skill decreased over time).

Another different thing will be the rate at wich a fixed value of stamina decrease your players skills during a game and if that rate is affected or not by your(and opponent's) tactics.

Last edited by Zero, the Magi. at 2/22/2010 8:16:36 AM

I believe what kozlodoev is saying is that the Stamina Skill Decreasement is not affected by the tactics you had played (like some people thought that playing FCP will accelerate the rith at wich stamina skill decreased over time).

For FCP is is easy to answer, because it is mentioned in the rules that it consumes much more stamina ;) That passage is often used against the theory that tactics or pace affect the stamina decline because it is only mentioned @ the full court press.

my personal theory(very wild guess), is that the number of possessions affect stamina decline and maybe in the case of full court press a opposing possesion cost more stamina then normal(or maybe they just mention it, because those tactics gives lot more possesion then other -> many early shot or to from the opponent). As i said wild guess, without proove or even a real evidence - but i believe that especially the pace has effect on the importance of stamina.

What I meant in my last post is that there are two things that might be getting mixed.

1) Stamina Skill Decreasement: Stamina is a skill that, over the seasons, decrease at a certain rate. There is a specialty for Trainers who helps to reduce a little bit this rate. Stamina Skill might be trained as a Team Training.

Question here: Does the tactics your's(and opponent's) played influence anyhow the rate at wich stamina skill decrease? Kozlodoev said no. I believe he is right.

2)Stamina effect on decreasement in performed skills during a game: Like we know for sure, FCP does "consume" a lot of stamina (thus, reducing the amount of time that skills are played at "full capacity" in a game, this is modulated trough stamina skill). Some people believe that, in general, pace of tactics(opponent's and yours) do affect this rate like is suggested by Josef Ka model for Team Ratings.

Question here: Does tactics(trough pace) affect the rate at wich stamina decrease the performed skills in a game?
You, me and so others said yes. Additionally, you mentioned your own guess about it.

This point is what I wanted to clarify since an apparent difference between you and kozlodoev seems to be rising(due to the confusing of the points above mentioned) while it might not be that way.

Last edited by Zero, the Magi. at 2/22/2010 9:03:51 AM

ok i meant the second part(because in those game the stamina decrease and affect overall performance)-

And like you already mentioned, i just got a theory about it, and i don't know if there is any proof for or against it.

Suddenly, Stamina is a hot topic in BB right now.

Its would be great to be able to FCP a opponent to "punish him" from using a very short rotation.

But it's a pity that FCP is well known for being a coin flip tactic overall and maybe you don't want to take that risk in a PO game.

IRL a full court press doesn't really affect the opponent's stamina, while it does to the team using this defense.
FCP is really efficient against teams who lack dribbling and passing skills (and maybe experience), causing then a lot of turnovers and easy fastbreak points.

This defense is rarely used IRL in pro games because as soon as your guards have elite passing skills, then most of the traps are easily defeated.

But I agree there could be other ways in BB to counter short rosters and FCP is kind of a useless tactic in tight games