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Yea that's what I assumed was the case. I'm new to this game so I honestly didn't know that this was the case. It certainly would make it more realistic of a game.

But at the same time, I don't begin to act like I understand the inner workings of this game engine or think this is an easy fix. But it could be a good suggestion.

But if they don't have the skills, extremely tall players might still suck.

Manute Bol wasn't very great.

If he has atrocious rebounding, the rebounds that come near him are just likely missed.(Think of a tall unathletic kid in gym class. Half the time the shorter players just had the skill to dominate them.)

The best rebounders aren't tall guys. A lot of good and great rebounders have been under 7'0. Buck Williams, Charles Oakley, Elvin Hayes, Bill Russell, Jerry Lucas, Charles Barkley.

For example, Gheorge Muresan standing at 7'7, during his best rebounding year ever, averaged only 15.6 rebounds per 48 minutes. Dennis Rodman, standing a foot shorter, averaged 22.5 rebounds per 48 minutes in his best rebounding season.

Using the calculation of per 48 is being generous to Muresan, because it doesn't take into factor his horrible stamina that limited him to 11 less minutes per game. It also benefits the guy who plays less minutes, because it is easier to put up number in a small part of the game than playing close to the full game and getting tired. This is why you will see a lot of inflated stats when using PP48.

Using per game stats, or even per 36 minutes, Rodman almost doubles Gheorge.

Another giant, Manute Bol, never bested his rookie mark of 6 rebounds per game.

While 6'5 Elgin Baylor averaged nearly 20 in his best season.

This can also be applied to modern NBA, with Howard, Blair, Millsap(especially Millsap, dude is a monster at his size) being much better rebounders than Nowitsky, Yao, Ilgauskus.

Height is more essential for blocked shots, but in certain cases even that isn't true, because the giants are often clumsy and cannot jump or have poor timing.(Shawn Bradley)

Athletes like Mourning, Howard, even little guys like Wade and not really a little guy but little in terms of this discussion Jordan blocked a lot of shots despite their size.

what is the best raining for small forward?.. what exactly the role of the small forward in the game....?

A SF needs to defend both inside and outside. I also think Passing is important for any SF. From there it depends what type of SF your want. If your play a lot of outside based offense JS/JR becomes more important for your SF if you play mainly inside based offense then IS is important. But a good SF will have decent skills in everything.

Last edited by aussie dude at 4/16/2010 2:50:16 AM

IMHO, I would say yes, he will be difficult to train for IS, ID and Reb due to his height. You can train him as a PF it will just take longer than a guy who is taller.

"The best rebounders aren't tall guys. A lot of good and great rebounders have been under 7'0. Buck Williams, Charles Oakley, Elvin Hayes, Bill Russell, Jerry Lucas, Charles Barkley."

Um, no. The best rebounders are tall guys. Wilt Chamberlin, Kareem, Dwight Howard, Marcus Camby. And Bill Russell, Buck Williams and Elvin Hayes are also considered tall by the way.

The only reason that Muresan and Bol played in the NBA (and perhaps basketball at all) was because of the general advantage height has in the game of basketball. Anybody shorter than them with the same skill set would never have made the NBA in the first place. The shorter you are, the more amazing your skill set has to be just to compete with players who can practically touch the rim without jumping.

I guess if both players had atrocious everything, the one thats taller would have a better shot at it. But by then its a coin flip.

In the buzzerbeater world, height probably makes no difference in getting the rebound. But I was responding to the post about real world rebounders being better if they're short. A ridiculous notion. In the real world, everyone has a disadvantage against taller players. Some can make up that disadvantage with incredible skills and athleticism.