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1 position Vs 2 position training.

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147390.8 in reply to 147390.7
Date: 6/19/2010 5:56:34 PM
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No worries!

Goodluck :)
Once you switch to 2 position you will notice a lot more pops each week (which I love seeing :D).

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Date: 6/19/2010 9:21:08 PM
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The reason I wouldn't recommend it in a higher division is that it is hard to train 6 rookies and still win games.


That's why you don't train 6 (or 5) rookies but maybe a (1) 22 year old, a (2) 21 year old, a (3) 20 year old, a (4) 19 year old, and a (5) rookie 18 year old. This way, you can play the rookie in scrimmage or cup games. Then the next season, the 22 year old can be replaced by a new rookie.

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Date: 6/19/2010 9:25:24 PM
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I still think you are better off having 3 18 year old rookies to 1 position train quickly while having high skilled players in all other positions.

Players are still not fully developed by 22 years old and will not be at a high enough level generally for division 1. Especially when you have other 20 year olds and 19 and even 18 year olds.

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147390.11 in reply to 147390.10
Date: 6/19/2010 9:43:41 PM
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You're right Naker, they're not fully developed by the time they're 22. But he has a point. 22 and 23 year olds still need training but can already be at a level where they can compete every game (maybe not in div I, but in II), so you can mix the final pieces of training for those 22, 23 y.o. fellas with training for your up and coming rookies.

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Date: 6/19/2010 9:50:43 PM
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Perhaps in div 2, but in div 1 the team would get slaughtered.

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147390.13 in reply to 147390.10
Date: 6/19/2010 10:01:23 PM
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Who said they won't be fully developed 22 year olds? What I'm illustrating here is a cycle of trainees that go round and round each season. The older one gets replaced by an 18 year old. They may not be necessarily those ages.

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Date: 6/19/2010 10:05:47 PM
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For a 22 year old to be a good player in div 1 he must have been 1 position trained. If he was 2 position trained then his skills won't be high enough. So by training 5 or 6 young players, you are creating decent players, but not good enough for div 1, and also it will take a lot longer to get to a level where you can use them properly. 2 position training in div 1 means that 2 positions will be occupied each game by a young rookie that will be slaughtered.

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147390.15 in reply to 147390.14
Date: 6/19/2010 10:18:58 PM
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Ok then, give me a player that you think will be a decent player in Div 1. Note, I said decent. I'm not talking about your main player.

Also give me what you consider as skills that are "high enough."

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147390.16 in reply to 147390.15
Date: 6/19/2010 10:26:00 PM
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Depends on the country.
Lets consider the US.
I would say that all starters should have a minimum of 40k salary.

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Date: 6/19/2010 10:36:43 PM
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If 40k is your goal I think it's doable in 2-position training. As a disclaimer, I've only played 4 full seasons so I haven't actually done it. Based on the 'training speed analysis thread' though, it's very possible to have a 22 y/o with 40k salary focusing mainly on OD, PA, and JS.

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147390.18 in reply to 147390.16
Date: 6/19/2010 10:45:13 PM
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Depends on the country.
Lets consider the US.
I would say that all starters should have a minimum of 40k salary.


I am glad you're sharing all of your vast experience as a division 1 manager, but I don't think reality lines up with your claims. So let's consider the US:

I randomly selected a team: Bobo's playhouse are a playoff team (4th place) in the NBBA and this is what the salaries of their wing players currently on their roster:
$62k
$29k
$16k
$14k
$11k
$8k
Plus some sub-$5k players that I assume just balance out minutes.
Now one has to assume that at least two of their starters are below your imaginary threshold unless they've got centres playing point guard.

The starting small forward for Heathens (6th best team in the world, top ranked in the US) is below $40k as well.

I think that in general there is something to be said about top teams not generally training a ton of young players and instead buying already partially trained players in their 20s to continue their training without giving up too much, but I also think you're way overstating the case.

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