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From: Edju

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163240.8 in reply to 163240.6
Date: 11/8/2010 12:10:53 PM
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I happen to know that there are teams that are targeted to lose


Now you know my Cup pain.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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163240.9 in reply to 163240.1
Date: 11/11/2010 10:48:49 PM
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I call BS on my draw in this season's cup. 6 rounds, 6 road games.
*note to BB's: your randomizer is broken

From: Stajan
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163240.10 in reply to 163240.9
Date: 11/11/2010 11:30:00 PM
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5 road, 1 home. I'm luckier than some people I guess.

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163240.11 in reply to 163240.9
Date: 11/12/2010 9:40:14 AM
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I call BS on my draw in this season's cup. 6 rounds, 6 road games.
*note to BB's: your randomizer is broken


What has led you to that conclusion?

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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163240.12 in reply to 163240.11
Date: 11/12/2010 10:44:32 AM
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I call BS on my draw in this season's cup. 6 rounds, 6 road games.
*note to BB's: your randomizer is broken


What has led you to that conclusion?

Yes, I suppose probability-speaking, it's working as intended. It was more a comment out of frustration than anything else, but tbh rather than being so quick to get on the defensive, maybe you guys should take note of the legitimate concerns of your users. A purely random calculation at each round can have the unfortunate consequence of giving some people the shaft every time. Putting in some measures to ensure that doesn't happen (e.g. played on the road already? bonus chance to draw a home game next round) would alleviate some of that.
On the one hand, some people argue the expanded tournament and randomness of the draw give everyone a fair and equal chance to advance, then something like this happens, which clearly puts a team on an upward climb to advance, and I can't help but ask, does one effect of your randomness negate the other?

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163240.13 in reply to 163240.12
Date: 11/12/2010 11:24:58 AM
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I'm not on the defensive, I was legitimately asking if you felt it was broken and why.

We always welcome constructive criticism and any suggestions to improve the game.

We're certainly not perfect by any stretch (anyone that knows me at all is nodding their heads).

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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163240.15 in reply to 163240.14
Date: 11/12/2010 12:29:12 PM
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Well, on average they balance out, but you're not so much interested in the average as you are interested in your team.

Well, I do have a personal bias for what's happened with my team in particular, but to say on average it balances out is to say there's as many teams without home games through 6 rounds as there are with at least 1 home game, and I think it's fair to say that's not the case. So I wouldn't say it balances out, but rather that there are anomalies. And while I'll admit that probability does result in anomalies, I would like to see some work done to try and avoid anomalies as much as possible, so something like this doesn't happen.
@Edju, sorry for jumping the gun on you. I unfairly inferred you were being defensive because I was calling into question the game mechanics. Yes, I will readily admit from my time in BB that you guys are pretty responsive to suggestions from the community.

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163240.17 in reply to 163240.16
Date: 11/12/2010 4:44:24 PM
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By the 6th round in the US, there are 256 teams left. So if there's a 1 in 64 chance of playing in your 6th straight road game, this means there should be approximately 4 out of those 256 teams playing in their 6th straight road game, right? Or do I not have the math right? (Seriously, I haven't done stats in ages)
If that's correct, then I'd say that's more an anomaly than balanced odds. And for the sake of clarity, I may have talked in other threads about the expanded format in the US this season, and the inclusion of bots in the draw, but this particular thread has dealt only with the probability of not playing a home game for what is now 6 straight rounds. Weighting teams more heavily if they haven't played at home yet would help improve their odds so that hopefully teams that survive this long would have played at least 1 home game by now.

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163240.18 in reply to 163240.17
Date: 11/12/2010 5:39:19 PM
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I believe he meant that on the tournament as a whole it balances out. There's the same chance that 4 people got super lucky and will have had 6 games at home in the tournament. I myself have had 3 home games and 3 road games.

I understand and somewhat sympathize with your concerns and issues regarding the situation. And your suggestion does have some merit to it. The issue, however, is that no one else seems to have a problem with how the tournament is structured. It's just very unlikely the BBs are going to change something that 99% of the community doesn't seem to view as a problem. Just my 2 cents.

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