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175459.8 in reply to 175459.2
Date: 2/22/2011 12:38:04 PM
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Actually, I think in the NBA, you try to get two or three top players and then add the players around them as best you can. Without star players...you just don't move the dial in the NBA.



There are some examples of championships won by depth more than stars. Detroit Pistons for their second series of championship runs comes to mind.

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NYK have just made themselves an Atlanta caliber team for the next few seasons, that's about it.


Everyone bags on Atlanta. Atlanta is a top 4 East team, the Knicks still arent. I seriously doubt the Knicks win a playoff series this season. All Melo means to them this year is they dont miss the playoffs.


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Date: 2/22/2011 3:21:51 PM
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All Melo means to them this year is they dont miss the playoffs.


I don't even think he means that much, since the Knicks were playoff-bound without him anyway. All Melo means is that we're once again trading the team's future for a quick fix that may or may not work. That's Dolan's specialty.

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Date: 2/22/2011 6:04:26 PM
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I agree. Not to mention they could have positioned themselves for Chris Paul/Deron Williams types in later seasons, which they needed more of. It's like an odd type of lack of patience, they haven't grown into a contender this year, and even in the future Stoudemire/Anthony just isn't as good a collection of "stars" as Wade/Lebron/Bosh.


Pundits seemed to be saying that the Knicks would still have a shot at Paul or Williams...maybe even a better shot now.



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Date: 2/22/2011 11:08:28 PM
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All Melo means to them this year is they dont miss the playoffs.


I don't even think he means that much, since the Knicks were playoff-bound without him anyway. All Melo means is that we're once again trading the team's future for a quick fix that may or may not work. That's Dolan's specialty.



They started hot, but have been pretty awful of late

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Date: 2/23/2011 4:37:33 AM
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I agree. Not to mention they could have positioned themselves for Chris Paul/Deron Williams types in later seasons, which they needed more of. It's like an odd type of lack of patience, they haven't grown into a contender this year, and even in the future Stoudemire/Anthony just isn't as good a collection of "stars" as Wade/Lebron/Bosh.


Pundits seemed to be saying that the Knicks would still have a shot at Paul or Williams...maybe even a better shot now.



Really? Who beyond NY media's saying that? At BEST (read: under this year's conditions) NYK have about $11.5 mil in salary space, which a) no-one believes is going to be remotely the case given the impending DOOM of the expected new CBA... and b) wouldn't be enough to land Williams/Paul.
The difference between Miami and this is that James/Wade/Bosh took less money...

Here's what Chad Ford had to say about this deal (in summation):
If Knicks fans are happy with 45-to-50 wins per season and a likely first-round exit from the playoffs, then this was a winning move. But for all the Knicks fans who say that nothing but a title contender will make them happy, this deal may have actually put their team further from their goal than they think.

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Date: 2/23/2011 7:45:58 AM
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They started hot, but have been pretty awful of late


They're still above .500 and would have to be much more awful than they've been to drop out of playoff contention, given the state of the conference. I'm not saying they were looking to get a high seed, but they were going to get in. A first round loss to the Celtics wouldn't even have bothered me too much, considering how insanely long it's been since the Knicks even made the playoffs.

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Date: 2/23/2011 8:03:57 AM
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I know people are going to yell at me, but I think everything is said in the first 18 seconds of this video : (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqZXvNrA7cs).

I miss those players you had the guts to challenge the bests.

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Date: 2/23/2011 2:03:04 PM
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Yes, I keep forgetting how weak overal the east still is. Were they in the west they would be the 10th seed

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Date: 2/23/2011 3:02:08 PM
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Here's the best analysis of the trade I've seen:

(http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?colu...)

Is it too early to call him Starmelo? Probably.

While the parallels between the Knicks' megadeal for Stephon Marbury seven years ago and the nearly completed trade for Carmelo Anthony are jarring -- from the involvement of Isiah Thomas, to the inclusion of nearly every useful New York asset going forward, to the bizarre justifications about "making New York matter again" and the like, to the acquisition of a player with great offensive value and minimal defensive motivation, this one has to give Knicks fans some trepidation. Especially if, as some have suggested, this trade ends up costing the Knicks GM Donnie Walsh and Isiah regains control.

There's one massive, glaring difference, of course -- Melo isn't Marbury. He's won playoff games, he has the best clutch stats in the business, and he's not going to spontaneously self-destruct in a live Internet performance. Anthony isn't the top-10 talent some have claimed him to be in the hours since the trade -- he's 22nd in PER in a fairly typical season for him, and nearly all his value is in his offensive stats so it's hard to argue my system is underrating him -- but he's durable and productive and, at 27, likely to stay that way for a while longer.

So you can spin this one either way, depending on what you think about the other pieces in the deal. Which takes us to today's big question: Who are all these other guys, anyway?

The Knicks gave up nearly half their roster -- six players -- in order to land Anthony from Denver, while four other Nuggets and a Timberwolf also changed uniforms. They may not want to make plans past Thursday, as at least a couple of them seem likely to be dealt again before the trade deadline.

Unlike Melo, whom we've heard about incessantly for months, we've learned almost nothing about the other 11 players involved in the deal. It's time to change that. Let's take a look at what New York gave up, and the other side players associated with today's trade:

Danilo Gallinari: The best "asset" in the deal besides Anthony, even if he isn't the best player right now. Gallinari is only 22 and will be on his rookie contract for another year; while he doesn't rebound much and is a below-average defender, he can play both forward positions and space the floor with his deadly outside shot.

Additionally, he's a much more potent driver than people realize, averaging six free throw attempts a game this season. Gallinari's outside stroke has abandoned him a bit this season -- he's at just 34.7 percent from downtown -- but looking at his release and his 89.3 percent mark from the line, I strongly suspect that's a short-term blip.

Is he a star? No. He's more like a really good third option -- a Rashard Lewis, let's say -- and a really easy player to fit into any system because he can play two positions and spaces the floor for everyone else. And with trade talk swirling around Gallinari already, his real value to the Nuggets might be the draft pick or other assets they can get in return.

Wilson Chandler: At 23 he's already a pretty good player and could get better. Chandler spent much of his time in New York paying either the 2 or 4, but his natural position is the 3. He'll line up there for the Nuggets, and although he's a restricted free agent after the season Denver has given every indication it intends to keep him.

Chandler is a strong driver who also has a decent outside shot, but two dimensions really hurt him. First, he's spectacularly bad at drawing fouls, generating just two a game on 14.3 field goal attempts. Second, he's not creating much for anyone else. Basically, he's a destitute man's Melo -- his best skill is creating a large volume of shots at a league-average efficiency rate. The Nuggets will get his prime years, but as with Gallinari his ceiling seems more like "good st

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