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Does stamina play a role in gameshape?

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From: yodabig

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193416.8 in reply to 193416.7
Date: 8/5/2011 9:46:30 PM
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Nope, it is still a theory, just as good or bad as ours.

Here is one example of one of my players from last season.

Kent Masters (12019972) Point Guard Owner: Chelsea Seagulls Weekly salary: $ 21 059 Age: 25 Stamina: average

Kent Masters respectable 53 res 66 res 50 res 54 str 2 (injured) ave 0 (injured) med 48 ave 82 res 68 res 69 res 86 str 85 pro 0

So you can see to start the season he had 53, 66, 50 and 54 minutes and was only above respectable for 2 minutes! Then he was injured. When he came back he got 48, 82, 68 and 69 and was still just respectable. In the end it took 11 weeks for him to get above respectable GS and play a proper game and he finally hit proficient on the last update of the season once the season was over!

Last edited by yodabig at 8/5/2011 9:48:09 PM

From: kpd

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193416.9 in reply to 193416.1
Date: 8/6/2011 12:06:08 AM
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i dont think its related it seems random to me cause one of my players (921762) played 84 mins and he has strong stamina and his game shape went down... and then my pg (18060410) played 80 mins n he has respectable stamina n he went up to strong game shape...... i kinda think it mite be related to age but idk if thats true but i have kinda noticed that with my team

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193416.10 in reply to 193416.6
Date: 8/6/2011 12:41:43 AM
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That's really interesting. Do you still have any of the data you compiled?


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193416.11 in reply to 193416.10
Date: 8/6/2011 5:55:25 AM
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We do we have an entire thread dedicated to it in our federation. I can't say if any of the other guys are willing to share their data but I don't mind.

From: myToast
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193416.12 in reply to 193416.11
Date: 8/6/2011 9:25:46 PM
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i think many people make GS too complicated out out it

1st control ur minutes with sub pattern, not with stamina
2nd the computer coach auto sub out players that are tired during dead ball
3rd studies already showed that avg 40 - 50 minutes is the way to get increase game shape, >80 u likely drop
4th the randomness of GS is likely more than one of the followings comblined
a, pure random factor just for computing distribution among the entire bb population
b, accumulated minutes for 2 or 3 weeks, not just one week
c, a hidden body factor, that encourage/discourage constant GS
d, a form(mind) factor that sum up W/L and stats among a set number of games
e, the role of the player have a positive affect on the minutes too

From: DoG

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193416.13 in reply to 193416.12
Date: 8/7/2011 1:41:52 AM
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i think many people make GS too complicated out out it

e, the role of the player have a positive affect on the minutes too


Can i ask what you mean by "the role of the player have a positive affect on the minutes too"?

Thanks!

:)

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193416.14 in reply to 193416.12
Date: 8/7/2011 2:15:25 AM
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3rd studies already showed that avg 40 - 50 minutes is the way to get increase game shape, >80 u likely drop


i believe studys ended in a range betwen 55 and 65 min.

And from the letters i just believe in a.

From: myToast

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193416.15 in reply to 193416.13
Date: 8/7/2011 2:17:23 AM
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draw a paycheck & backup players need a little less minutes, ~30, to maintain GS
key and starters have a bit more tolerance even playing 2 48minutes games

From: yodabig

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193416.16 in reply to 193416.15
Date: 8/7/2011 2:57:21 AM
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I hear what you are saying but I remain highly sceptical of this.

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193416.17 in reply to 193416.14
Date: 8/7/2011 9:21:00 PM
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well i forgot where i read a, but 40-50 definitely from this forum
i believe 40-50 because i usually play player 48minutes a week back then and my team have 4+ players proficient GS in many different weeks, now its not very efficient to play ur high salary players <50minutes

i played with my sub from 30 to 40 to 50 and high thirty still make the pop 95% of the time

and lastly i look at it from a programming view that's why there is a "LIKELY" in the sentence, and i don't mind if bb comes out and said they are all wrong XD, but don't just say its pure randomness aside from the minutes

Last edited by myToast at 8/7/2011 9:24:06 PM

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193416.18 in reply to 193416.17
Date: 8/8/2011 2:24:16 AM
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you read mostly 50-60 here in the past and nowadays even a bit longer, there was an cheat from an italian after the first gs update of the week, which resulted in a graph with optional gameshape with 55 minutes and it got worse with the same rate for every minute plaayed more or less. But this was before massage docs, even when i don't expect then to make up for more then 2 minutes.

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