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194378.8 in reply to 194378.7
Date: 8/18/2011 5:46:52 AM
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it is neither of those question, the thing is in my case why are the sold tickets always the same.

1. We have a soft cap, so we don't get the same result once we are over a limit.

2. Opponents influence the numbers of visitor coming.

3. And also my survey was slightly different, druring the PO it is always different and my first league match was without the rival and tv survey points.

But how are 2 and 3 corresponding to 1, when the amount of visitors willing to pay 19 bucks never change. Is there an hardcap for each bleacher price, besides the softcap?(i know that more then my visitors are possible but i always get the same visitors night in and night out in different circumstances, and bleachers fluaktuate a lot normally)

From: 7ton

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194378.9 in reply to 194378.8
Date: 8/18/2011 10:03:21 AM
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1. Yes, there is a soft cap, but not in this sense. There is always a hard cap for every arena size - no matter how low you set the price, the attendance will never exceed this cap. For example, 20k size, max = 19.5k. In your case, 21.8k size, max = 20.16k. Arena size below ~19k-20k, max = arena size. This cap would increase as you expand your arena further. But it would be under 100% of arena size once its past ~19k-20k. In this sense, it is a soft cap. I still haven't found a formula to determine the hard cap for each arena size. More examples will help.

2. Not anymore because it's very likely that your prices are too low.

3. Same as 2.

You should fine-tune your prices so that your attendance is slightly under 20.16k. (assuming you don't expand your arena anymore)

From: CrazyEye

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194378.10 in reply to 194378.9
Date: 8/18/2011 10:12:27 AM
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that could be a valid theory but i doubt it, when they implemented the softcap we had to destruct our arenas depending on price experiemence where we had around 3-4 different prices to test. If the decreasing alone impact the result this would have been a mean test when you debuild(and some got ~40 or 45k arenas) and you notice those extra 2-4k ain't coming anymore.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 8/18/2011 10:12:40 AM

From: 7ton

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194378.11 in reply to 194378.10
Date: 8/18/2011 10:37:02 AM
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You can try it out if you don't believe it: Expand your arena a bit (100-200) and you will see your attendance hit above 20.16k when you are in the playoff or your face d1 opponents in the cup. (assuming you don't charge too much)

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194378.12 in reply to 194378.10
Date: 8/19/2011 10:52:34 PM
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i have a bit of a theory about this.

You will notice that your Lower Tier, Courtside and Luxury boxes are always full.

Maybe, in order for more people to come in on the Bleachers, you need more space in other levels?

like, maybe there is a formula that says 'For every 100 people more on the bleachers, you need 10 free on Lower Tier.

You could try it out by just expanding your lower tier by 20 seats or so.
I have absolutely no proof that this is the case, im just thinking it might be a relatively easy thing to implement and see what happens :)

Interesting thing though! It almost looks like a bug..... let us know how it goes!

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194378.13 in reply to 194378.12
Date: 8/20/2011 4:52:42 AM
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i most likely i end up under the cap with the price change, because i know for sure that i waste money with it. I underestimated the championship bonus to make the "actual test", but my franchise is more important for me then the since.

A main theory was also that people always went to the most expensive seats they could afford, so i believe when i build 10 extra courtside seats i expect them more to be sold and give me 10 less visitors on bleacher. If it don't act like that, it would be a sign that the cap act via income instead of visitors(or that my courtside seats price was perfect).

And yes something i believe also that it is a bug^^

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194378.14 in reply to 194378.13
Date: 8/23/2011 5:59:30 PM
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my price change get 4 visitors out of my arena, with a different of one Dollar for the bleacher that isn't much. But at least i get around 30.000$ more.

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194378.15 in reply to 194378.14
Date: 8/24/2011 3:56:47 AM
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So as I said here (194378.6)
it means we have artificial limit of selling and this limit is independent (or almost indepent) of price.

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194378.16 in reply to 194378.15
Date: 8/24/2011 2:38:11 PM
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So as I said here (194378.6)
it means we have artificial limit of selling and this limit is independent (or almost indepent) of price.


i am back at the hard cap theory, now with higher prices again 20160 visitors in the BBB. And thats a raise over 5% in the category which matters, the rest is still to low.

Probaldly hard cap depending on Arena size is right?

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194378.17 in reply to 194378.16
Date: 8/24/2011 2:57:40 PM
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I'm sceptic to this hypothesis, because I can't imagine in which way it could be implement.
I think it could depend of:
- league level (it's obvious)
- PR manager (relatively easy to confirm or overthrow)
- number of ticket holders

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194378.18 in reply to 194378.17
Date: 8/24/2011 3:12:52 PM
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good that you mention it, i believe on 3 i can not change anything but when you play some season in div I you reach some sort of a equilibrium so that should be like at other teams.

League level i don't want to change anything, but paying 10-15k for science and getting an better PR should be worth a try - even when it get hard to win my next league/TV match.