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not really, but i think we can believe Wolph that there is an Swastika it makes sense in this historical context the game is in.

What? :) You can't have the correct symbols in games dated to wwII?
Edit: can someone please bb-mail me the games name, so I can check what the fuss is about

Last edited by Kukoc at 7/4/2012 1:42:18 PM

I'm going to play it... and in Spanish!!! :P

In Germany you can't even get WWII model tanks with the correct markings they are strictly forbidden. In fact there have been a few famous cases when anti-Nazis were charged for breaking the law by displaying Nazi symbols (in a negative way like being thrown into the rubbish) in their anti-Nazi advertising.

It makes some sense. Actually the display is allowed for educational and scientific reasons, but strictly forbidden in any other connection. Works fine.

I understand that the German goverment is ashamed of what happened in the past (don't get me wrong, it's normal to be ashamed). Does that mean we need to remove that era from the history books in school? Remove the symbols so noone would recognize them? How is that correctly coping with the problem.
History books written in russian still teach that USSR freed Estonia. Actually it was worse than being occupied by Germany. Nazi Germany obviously was out to hunt the Jews (and I'm pretty sure that some people they wanted dead, were market as Jews, it did not matter who the person actually was). When the Communistic USSR took over, it was more miserable time for estonians, some of our people got deported to siberia (to make room for russians), where most of them died. That's a genocide. It was a part of their russification plan. Call someone a nazi and he gets deported. They still think they were the liberators of europe.
So because of this, should we ban russians from Estonia? Should we hate russians? Should I stop talking to my russian friends? It's history and there is nothing we can do about it. Pulling a curtain over it and saying it did not happen is not the correct way to deal with it.

NB! To the mods, this is history, but if you think it violates any rules of the forums you are welcome to delete it. Or mod it if you please.

Last edited by Kukoc at 7/5/2012 7:29:13 AM

It´s vice versa. The era is not erased from the schoolbooks or whatever, it´s heavily tought and discussed. It´s just to avoid abuse of the symbolistic value and to avoid any propagandic use that the use and display is widespread banned.

Same is for example for carplates which might suggest admiration of NeoNazi-Thinking (such as SS, SA and HH) and other coded displays going back to the Nazi thinking.

The discission of the Era aswell as the educational aspect is very active and the oppositve ot erasure.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 7/5/2012 7:44:03 AM

Probadly the problem is that PC games aren't considered at art, so the general law against those forbidden signs make them illegal. And this law is in my eyes good, since i don't want the Nazi run through germany with Swastikas and SS runes. i saw one of them 2-3 month ago in the supermarket with Swastika earrings and felt very ashamed.

In books the signs are ok, when the context is ok(they can get banend when they are antisemitic) since it is art, it is also allowed for education and News. But it is generell forbidden on shirts etc., since the justice shouldn't forbid every single Item after release or a small change(and PC games are more lifestyle product for the law).

Does this discussion really belong in the bugs forum? I don't think so. Please, have such discussions elsewhere. I will allow only one more post which better contain a link to a continuation of this discussion and then I'll close the thread.