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221028.8 in reply to 221028.7
Date: 7/1/2012 8:12:48 AM
Mountain Eagles
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I got James Coleman and Val Delong. Coleman's one of my originals and Delong is one of those steals from the TL.
Coleman is expected to be t 60k and Delong at 100k by end of training. (which is I hope in 2-1/2 more seasons: S23) This season it's at 10-16k salary, which I'm still able to handle. But if I do keep on doing primaries they'll blow up on me. But if I listen to the South Stag guy I can still sustain em. Can't afford to blow em up, these are my cornerstones I'm talking about...........


I got some bankrupt schedule. I got some strange wacko thing, with 2 straight weeks of no salary. Already had one, and gotta do it again on 7/10 and 7/14 ::sigh:: But got 2 straight home games........



EDIT

Man, wheres a GM to change the title.

It's "Planning For D4" please

Last edited by tough at 7/1/2012 8:13:49 AM

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221028.9 in reply to 221028.8
Date: 7/1/2012 11:35:20 AM
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I got James Coleman and Val Delong. Coleman's one of my originals and Delong is one of those steals from the TL.
Coleman is expected to be t 60k and Delong at 100k by end of training. (which is I hope in 2-1/2 more seasons: S23) This season it's at 10-16k salary, which I'm still able to handle. But if I do keep on doing primaries they'll blow up on me. But if I listen to the South Stag guy I can still sustain em. Can't afford to blow em up, these are my cornerstones I'm talking about...........


I got some bankrupt schedule. I got some strange wacko thing, with 2 straight weeks of no salary. Already had one, and gotta do it again on 7/10 and 7/14 ::sigh:: But got 2 straight home games........



EDIT

Man, wheres a GM to change the title.

It's "Planning For D4" please



Tough. He means what is their projected salary next season.

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221028.10 in reply to 221028.9
Date: 7/1/2012 11:42:13 AM
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ok, let me calculate.....what week is this, 7?


Coleman: Estimated at 14k with 64-70% training.

Delong: Estimated at hmm, 8k. With 48-53% training.

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221028.11 in reply to 221028.2
Date: 7/1/2012 11:50:57 AM
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1 thing i will say is aim to have no player over 40k in a div4 roster, I say 2x40k, 2x20k, 4x15-20, 2x6-10k, 3xunder 5k is solid squad in div4, so be careful with your training (maybe a season of secondaries will keep u under the limit and still give u a chance to improve your squad)

PS: 10,000 seats is the best starting point for getting ready as well (also make sure your staff are under 40k if poss)

You're recommending a 220k+ salary right there! I think that might be a little high for D4. Heck, right now I have a 5-8 record in III with 207k salary, and I know there are people in playoff positions with smaller payrolls than me. I would recommend closer to 180-190k salary to be competitive in D4.

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221028.12 in reply to 221028.1
Date: 7/1/2012 12:51:34 PM
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First, I would not count on promoting into D.III in two seasons to beat the salary spike on your trainees. You might get lucky, promote into a weak league, and everything goes right. But here's how I see it:

1. Your roster isn't ready for D.IV right now, especially since a lot of your decent players are old.
2. Your arena isn't even close to ready.
3. There is no way you'll make enough money in one season to build an arena for D.III and buy a team that will get you to D.III, no matter what league you end up in. Take my word for it. Two seasons ago, I was in IV.62. Last season, I was in an all-bot D.V league after tanking and relegating out of IV.62. I also had an MVP and a superstar potential draftees that I sold for almost $1 million. That money was used to expand my arena to what you see now, and buy the roster you see now. The arena is good, the roster is okay and might get me to promote in a couple of seasons. But I'm in a weak D.IV league, I tanked for two seasons, and I got killer draftees that I sold for a huge profit. And I still wasn't able to make the money to buy my way to instant promotion.
4. You don't want to promote via bot cleanup. You wouldn't get the attendance bonus, and the attendance bonus is what will keep your seats full in D.IV even if/when your team is struggling. That's critical if you're so worried about making money.
5. You can try to train secondaries, but to do that you'll have to get Coleman and Delong each 48+ at PG, and there's no way you can do that in D.IV and not get slaughtered, regardless of which league you end up in.

Ultimately, you can't outrun their salaries. You can either choose to deliberately not train them to their potential so you can still afford them, or train them as best you can and accept that you'll have to sell them after they get too expensive (which, with big men, will be really soon). Not trying to be harsh or negative, but that's just the way it is.

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221028.13 in reply to 221028.12
Date: 7/1/2012 12:58:52 PM
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man, some1 said that 7k is a good starting point in D4............crap. Stuck in hole. IDK if I'll even have the cash to get a new set of trainees............this is crap. Oh well, maybe I can hitch talent when I sell them, preferably American. I'm still gonna train bigs after/if I sell them.....

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221028.15 in reply to 221028.13
Date: 7/1/2012 1:20:01 PM
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It's a good starting point. But whoever said that was assuming you could gradually build up your arena over time while in D.IV. If you want to promote almost immediately to D.III you need to be pretty close to the finished product, which I've heard is more like 15k seats. Your plan was to be in D.IV for two seasons, there's no way you could add 8k seats and buy yourself a championship-caliber roster. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

Training bigs isn't necessarily a bad idea. However, bigs without secondaries don't sell particularly well on the TL, but bigs with secondaries sell extraordinarily well, especially with good HA/PA/OD. Handling and passing help avoid turnovers, and everyone loves OD. Not that JS/JR/DR aren't important, but I think the other three are what people really get excited about seeing on big men. So training bigs and training secondaries aren't bad ideas. I paid way more to ensure all my players have above-average secondaries.

Here's my advice: do everything in your power to win your league so you can get the attendance bonus when you promote, then next season in D.IV focus on getting Delong and Coleman 48+ at PG each week. Train passing and mix it up with OD once in a while. On short weeks, train 1v1 forwards. On weeks with must-win games, go back to training primaries. You should be making a lot of money especially if you have the attendance bonus, so keep constantly expanding yourarena as fast as possible. You'll have that attendance bonus most of the season, so you'll want to build new seats as fast as you can to take the most advantage of it. Since I know you're on the offsite, use the attendance tool to figure out the best prices. Put at least $10K per week and at most $20K per week toward scouting the draft.

Assuming you aren't in a terribly hard league, you should avoid relegation with this plan, but if you relegate, fine. You'll have made some nice money/expanded your arena, you'll be a more experienced manager, and you'll have made your trainees infinitely more valuable for the inevitable day when you have to sell them, and you'll have put yourself in a nice position for the future. Plus, you should have a high draft pick and a chance to land a stud draftee. This is what I did. It wasn't all that fun for the season while I was doing it, but now I'm way better off for doing so. I'm 11-2 in my first season of my second run in D.IV, a title contender for the next several seasons (none of my key players are older than 28, so even though the Cresleys will probably win this year, I have a good chance next season), and I was able to draft a stud prospect in Paul Ogle, who has MVP potential and started with 59 skill points. Who wouldn't go for that?

Hope this post gives you a little more reasons for optimism than my last post, which was kind of depressing.

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221028.17 in reply to 221028.16
Date: 7/1/2012 1:30:19 PM
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Yeah, but these are just general hypothetical guidelines, obviously I would expect tough would make specific training and lineup decisions week-by-week and match-by-match next season. For example, there's always the possibility that he's facing a super-stacked team during a TV or rival "must-win" game, and in that case he might as well just stick to secondary training, since nothing he can do will help them win. Or he might be facing a weak team that he would beat regardless of lineup, in which case secondary training is also advisable. The point is that we don't know the actual situation, so I was just trying to give some sort of general safe rule of thumb suggestion. But you're definitely right though.

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221028.18 in reply to 221028.15
Date: 7/1/2012 1:34:42 PM
Mountain Eagles
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Ric Flair Drippers
Maybe I can dish it 3 seasons in D4, but still probably not enough to get to 12k seats So when I sell, will do it when the euros are online, and hope a euro guy gets Delong for 500+k and Coleman for 250+, and then I should have enough cash+ my hopes of 300k saved to get 2 replacement C/PF. Of better potential. Cause I'm getting better guys no matter what. It'd be stupid if I use the cash to buy on some same potentials. But I'll be sad when I have to sell em. May even beg on the offsite for an American to get em, so they stay in USA. Well, keep the training going.......now.

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