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226711.8 in reply to 226711.7
Date: 9/10/2012 12:59:10 PM
Spartan 300
II.2
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Because I talk about the statistic you can see after the match.

This is where we hold them!
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226711.9 in reply to 226711.8
Date: 9/10/2012 1:31:01 PM
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Inside defense you also can't see after match, but you include it in your last post. Outside defense is also hard to judge, because there is no defense ratio such as points/possession per player, but everyone recommend it to train for guards.

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226711.10 in reply to 226711.9
Date: 9/10/2012 2:07:07 PM
Spartan 300
II.2
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You know what are you talking about?

You see this ratings after the match

Outside Scoring
Inside Scoring
Outside Defence
Inside Defense
Rebounding
Offensive Flow

You see maybe ID? Really don't know what is your point, what are you trying to say..

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226711.11 in reply to 226711.10
Date: 9/10/2012 3:06:18 PM
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OK, now I see your point. However shot blocking is also defence skill and affects rating after match. According to stoping LI - shot blocking may be the solution. Nobody check it yet :) So it's not appropriate to say 2-3 is not working.

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226711.15 in reply to 226711.12
Date: 9/10/2012 5:55:03 PM
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And on the flip side, everyone trains the OD in guards to such a high level that opponents can't make 3-pointers either.

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226711.16 in reply to 226711.15
Date: 9/10/2012 6:04:53 PM
Spartan 300
II.2
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Spartan Kids
And on the flip side, everyone trains the OD in guards to such a high level that opponents can't make 3-pointers either.
True, but I still have 19-20 in ID but the LI tactic beat them, even if I play M2M or 2-3..

I don't like this, but the engine work on that way...

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226711.17 in reply to 226711.16
Date: 9/10/2012 6:11:58 PM
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True, but I still have 19-20 in ID but the LI tactic beat them, even if I play M2M or 2-3..

I don't like this, but the engine work on that way...



Apparently it's not the game engine that's the problem but in the builds that have been trained. The BB's have stated that the way to counter LI is with a 2-3 zone AND high shotblocking, not just high ID. You need both.

Unfortunately everyone stopped training SB many seasons ago so finding top players that fit this description is very difficult. In fact, we find that most of the top bigs in BB have IS as their highest (or 2nd highest) primary skill and SB as their lowest, so as a result 2-3 appears to be broken and LI appears to be impossible to stop.

All that said, I still think the BB's could and should tweak the game engine to adapt for this.

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226711.18 in reply to 226711.16
Date: 9/10/2012 6:20:41 PM
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So I just went to the transfer wire. I picked Centers/PF's with salaries over $170,000 a week, here were the results.

23/29 had IS as either the top of their 4 primary skills or tied for the top.

28/29 had SB as either the lowest of their 4 primary skills or tied for the lowest.

0/29 times was SB higher than IS with these players.

So basically, it's almost impossible to find out if SB and a 2-3 zone can stop LI offense because you can't currently build that type of team and everyone has already gone overboard on training IS in order to play this offense.

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