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From: GM-hrudey

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My impression of Princeton, from the original by Pete Carilll, was that the front court guys would take a lot of 3-point shots. Does that actually happen?


In general terms, less than I'd like, but more than other offenses.

From: Jay_m

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I've experimented with it off and on, even with 5 guards but never had that much success. Of course, I never gave it much of a chance to work either.

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Here's my latest effort. Only 3/7 from my big men from 3-pt range.

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From: GM-hrudey

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I've experimented with it off and on, even with 5 guards but never had that much success. Of course, I never gave it much of a chance to work either.


I ran it very heavily for three or four seasons, until GDP came around. When it works, it can be great, but it's also almost guaranteed to have a six minute stretch where you score maybe two or four points. If you get enough of those few minute bursts where you hit a few threes and maybe a driving layup or two, it can score well - if you get a lot of those droughts, you may be trying to win 65-59.

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Hrudey promoted to division 2 using this offense. I use it now as well when needed. In real life spacing is critical. .. movement like motion but with more space. There indeed may be scoring droughts but it is balanced with buckets being scored in bunches.
If your bigs can pass. .. this is a nice offense to run.

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On BB I don't how it works.. but in real life it based on back cuts to the basket a lot hi/lo screens, easy layup good driving.

They keep passing the ball up top till the player is free of a screen for a easy lay-in or the pg/sg drives and creates a floater shot. On BB I don think that happens or if that will happens.. It says less 2 point shots, so lets assume they keep moving and settle for 1 shot.

rebound,passing, stamina GS, driving and IS would play the biggest factors. if this the case. this is just assuming not BB gospel that is a 100% fact. Its a slow pace based on the theory.



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Here is a good link to some of the plays used in Princeton offence

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/PrincetonOffensePlays.html

Its actually really interesting reading these.
The things i feel about Princeton are that:
- It tries to take advantage of your C's good passing vs your opposition C's lack of OD.
- Your PG shouldn't necessarily be set to play at PG in offense. OR
- you play two PG's in your front court.

So you could image a 'J. Noah' type C playing as your C. a good 'outside shooting' PF. A good driving SF. And two PG's in your front court.

I believe the idea behind your C shooting more 3's, is that he essentially 'starts' the offense and so there would be more times he would need to pop a 3. If your C had say, Respectable JR, you could imagine that the opposing C wouldn't have very good OD, so the opportunity to shoot more 3's would be higher.

So in BB, I would imagine that the game engine is not complex enough to insert things like screen's, so im not entirely sure how it handles these things. Thoughts anyone?


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Here is a good link to some of the plays used in Princeton offence

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/PrincetonOffensePlays.html

Its actually really interesting reading these.
The things i feel about Princeton are that:
- It tries to take advantage of your C's good passing vs your opposition C's lack of OD.
- Your PG shouldn't necessarily be set to play at PG in offense. OR
- you play two PG's in your front court.

So you could image a 'J. Noah' type C playing as your C. a good 'outside shooting' PF. A good driving SF. And two PG's in your front court.

I believe the idea behind your C shooting more 3's, is that he essentially 'starts' the offense and so there would be more times he would need to pop a 3. If your C had say, Respectable JR, you could imagine that the opposing C wouldn't have very good OD, so the opportunity to shoot more 3's would be higher.

So in BB, I would imagine that the game engine is not complex enough to insert things like screen's, so im not entirely sure how it handles these things. Thoughts anyone?



My anecdotal recollections are that the C doesn't shoot as many threes as you'd like to think he would in that type of offense, but I think you're spot on with the passing from that position being important. I would probably have to go through and do some deep analysis on my games but I definitely recall whichever guy I had at C usually ended up using his passing a lot more (approximately a metric ton of passes to other players who missed jumpers/drives) but the PF was the one of the two more likely to shoot from outside.

Of course, my recollections are likely tainted from watching the games live and saying "why isn't the C shooting more, and why is my SG still chucking it up after starting off 2-15?"

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It stated Princeton is an outside tactic. Just wondering, does it concentrate on shooting 3s? Or it concentrates on mid-range (i.e. 2 points only).

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i wouldnt say it concentrates on 3's.

But it does have a higher portion of 3's compared to LI, or even Base offence.

In real life, the idea is that there are screen's and picks set to get guys open for backdoor pass/drive to bucket, OR open looks. Id imagine that the open looks are often going to be longer 2 point shots and 3's. But the idea is that they are unguarded shots.

So the aim of Princeton is increase the amount of unguarded shots.

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Date: 8/2/2014 8:11:55 AM
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Thanks for your reply first. I just tried Princeton tonight ... (72772920)

Most of the 3 were attempted by SG, my big men did not try many times.

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