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I can ensure you that they have no chance.

That's because you lot probably aren't very good at training. Sure you have your farms, but even then, the ones who are on the TL looks fairly poor (see below).

Just the players that has no chance to reach the certain lvl we demand for the NT will be monoskilled because thats what works in U21.

Your NT has started a 30yo PF with 114 TSP against Spain in the last competitive game of s45. Again, what exactly you are talking about?

o yea, we ruin players that has no chance to be in our NT, so they could help the U21, what's wrong?

What's wrong is that unless they are farms (something that should be eliminated from the game), they have no reason to ruin players like that and take a massive hit financially.

False, I know players who were monoskilled, sold for more then 3M. 2.5M is a satisfying price too I think.

Provide examples so that we have context and can validate this silly claim. I know players who sold for 14m and more, I would not claim they will sell for that much now.

The israeli 105k has been trained with 5-5 trainers or 5-4 im not sure, no training court because his FT is totally fine.

I meant the gym or whatever other arena tool that boosts crosstraining

I present them everything that will happen - the salary of the future player, the price they could sell him and more.

Other than farms nobody and I mean nobody would train that way willingly, unless they are misled by someone else. Maybe you tell them a 80 TSP player with 140k salary actually sells for 3m and they believe you. In which case, if I was one of them, I would probably report you to a GM when my player sells for 1m or less and I have a net loss of a few millions on my hand because you misrepresented reality.
Just say they are all farms and we'll all be happy, but don't offend anybody's intelligence by saying that's a smart or reasonable way of training.

Would you train secondary skills for a guy which has zero secondary skills? Well, I think its stupid

That wasn't really my statement but anyway to answer your question: from a sale price perspective? Absolutely. From a salary cost perspective? Absolutely. From a tactical point of view? Absolutely

You would never use a 100k player with 60 TSP in you U21 and if you did then you probably should be replaced as the coach. And I would never use a player with 1 OD 1 PA and 1 HA for fear of losing to a team 80 ranks below me playing patient just to exploit him.

In any case, the players you linked don't have zero secondaries otherwise they would not have 100k salary. JS is the main difference maker there, so they have that at the very least. Also the Ast to TO ratio and steals suggest 9 PA or more and very decent OD for the German one and at least 4 or 5 PA for your player and, again, decent OD (but worse than the German). So no these are not players with big holes in key secondaries.

the coach that would have to train so much secondary skills just in order to get his secondary skills to average, never getting to the NT.

Your NT started a 31yo PF with 114 TSP in the last competitive game against Spain who is up for sale now (ironically for 3 million lol) and definitely has worse PA and OD than the German U21 you linked. So let's cut the BS.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/14/2019 1:58:12 PM

Anyway, training guard skills for 7"4' player is a real screw. Besides those 3 mentioned ones there is also SB and JS that should be considered for training with his height IMO.

First off, 7'0''+ with HoF and decent to good starting secondaries are good players to train as big men for the abundant farms you seem to have in Israel (if what your U21 coach say is true). They are players who can easily get 65+ inside skills because they can be pushed through the cap given their height. A 6'7''-6'8'' may get 145+ TSP and never be as good a C as the taller guy. Your NT starting C is 7'1'', perfect example.

The 145 TSP PF is almost always better mostly because of versatility and because he will cost less, but if salary is not a problem (again see your U21 coach theories) then why not make a 70 inside TSP monster? He will cost 350k per week, but hey, you just need to convince the manager that he can sell him for $50m and make back all the money he spent.

Hope this guy has good initial skills, so he'll be more effective for our both NTs.

This guy will have a 130k and maybe more salary at the end of the season. Explain to me who is going to pay 130-140k to play him at PG to improve his secondaries. At best, he will be played at PF and trained in 1v1 to end more or less like this guy: (38711520).

What a waste.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/14/2019 1:57:09 PM

How is this even possible (45999833)

What’s the highest you’ve seen?

He has been richest player in BB since the beginning: (6769986)

yeah I'm pretty sure he's the only player who almost tipped over $500k salary. If I remember correctly some of Joey Ka's posts he had something like 38 in the top 3 inside skills. That's filthy.

(7492282)

536k

(7492282)

536k

Didn't remember about him, thanks

Well first of all hi, my name is yoav and I'm training this team since season 32, at season 43 I've managed to get up to the first league in Israel after selling a 22 yo player with 153k salary for 3.6 m ((43863576))
At that point I chose to buy amichai shalev as a trainer, I saw him for sale for 2.5m and after a bid war I bought him for 3.2m. The first season in the first league I've managed to stay but last season I lost 2-1 in the relegation series. This season I'm back to the second league and hoping to get back to the first
Now for some facts, I've played with amichai shalev as a PG most of my games at the first league and won some of them ((104759827) , (104759867)) and even the last game I placed amichai as my PG and got a win ((105997759))

Last thing I want to say is that you said some really offensive stuff about me and how I'm managing my team. You're saying that I'm a farm, although just last season I've paid over 600k for salaries each week trying to be as competitive as I can
I would be more than happy if you'll erase all of your accuses of me doing illegal stuff
thanks

Wow, You are a rude person.

I wrote this message in Hebrew since you don't seem to comprehend when you read in your own mother tongue, so didn't see why to bother. And, well, Google translate is always there. I admit I didn't know it's forbidden, don't use the global forums often and apologize for that.

Anyway, I was wondering where the coach of a medium community with pretty mediocre teams, who have never achieved one serious achievement at the level of national or young teams find the pretence to criticize the way other communities are run. On what right do you say that the coach of our young team is lying to the coaches so that they will hurt themselves economically? In what right do you call Israeli teams farms without a shred of proof, because they chose to run in a different way from yours?

So first of all, thank you for your advice. However, we are doing quite well in managing our community. I think we are doing a nice job on this subject, which can be seen mainly in the youth team with whom we won a bronze medal in the World Championship. Remind me when England reached a similar achievement?

The coach of our youth team and I have full coordination regarding the training of young players relevant to the youth but also the potential for the National team. In most cases, the National team and long-term needs precede the needs of the youth team. In some cases we choose to combine and in some cases, relatively rare, we decide to focus on the needs of the youth team. We do this when we look at the ceiling of the contribution that the player can reach in the national team compared to how much he can contribute to the youth team. If we see a player whose best case would be a complementary player on the national team and could be a monster in the youth team, we prefer to focus on the latter. It may be a mistake, but it is certainly not an illegitimate decision.

Your economical claims also don't have a solid basis: Trying to give a new coach the chance to train a 2.24 cm player for years at the point guard to give him better secondary skills is almost certainly a recipe for failure. The chance that he will be able to develop a relevant player is lower than the chance that he will retire from the game. Training primaries is easy, rewarding and working, and in the end, also brings in nice money when the player is ready. Not crazy, but if you're a new player and you've come up to the point where you sell the big men you trained for 4-seasons who played for the youth team -It's already a win since it means we added another player to the buzzerbeater community. I don't know about you in England, but in Israel, we fight for each user trying to keep the game alive.

BTW, I see you were very troubled with the fact I violited the rules by writing in Hebrew. I wonder, is calling other players cheaters in the forums without proof is a legal action? Or the rules just don't apply to you?

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I would be more than happy if you'll erase all of your accuses of me doing illegal stuff

why would I? Let's recap what happened:
1. You sell your player for 3.6 million
2 Exactly 3 days later you buy your current trainee from the utopia farm team of another Israeli manager for almost the same money
3. S44 you train primaries and win a relegation battle
4. S45 realise the player will probably not make the NT with 1 PA and low OD, train out of position (1 player) and demote

I will go as far as saying that you are not a farm team like the team you bought from (which is the team who trained for the U21 and is most likely a farm), but you surely you can understand how that sewuence of events (1 and 2 and their timing) may look suspicious. As I said, I can't see the bid history to validate your claim that it was a competitive auction against another (non Israeli) manager or the opposite, that's a GM's job. However you should understand how this can look suspicious from a neutral perspective. Especially in light of how you folks came through in this forum (having a 'system' in place where managers take a hit to train primaries first to the benefit of the U21 and then move the players to other managers who take an even larger hit to train secondaries later on).

I'll tell you something else. If someone convinced you to train this 7'3'' guy out of position at 24 you should probably take it up with him/her. Right now you are paying 160k (35%-40%) of your salary to play this player at PG, producing like a 30k player even by switching him on defense. After all he did start with 1 PA.

Sure you may end up in the playoffs and win, but it still doesnt change the fact you'd have been better off selling this guy and paying a 30k player to play pg for you. Especially if he doesnt make the NT. You would have saved 1.6m in salary per season.




Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/14/2019 8:23:55 PM