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327722.8 in reply to 327722.5
Date: 7/10/2025 7:55:49 PM
Aris BB
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King of the Desert
Hello damian, and thank you for the question

ISOs depend mainly on the players profiles, ours and the opponents ones. In my experience, they are particularly effective for focusing an offense on a specific matchup (inside or outside) but also for cancelling out an opponent's GDP or sowing doubt for future GDPs by allowing us to vary our offenses.

To function ideally, at least 2 great shooters - to avoid being caught out by a box-and-one defense - and excellent defenses/rebounds/passes around to minimize the opponent's offense and manage our offense/ball control/post-shot (sometimes to the detriment of JS/JR/IS). Offensive skills (JS, HA, DR, IS) >20 for our shooters, the greater the better ofc.

Let me know if u'd like me to explore the subject even deeper or if there are any points that are unclear.

Aris.

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327722.9 in reply to 327722.8
Date: 7/10/2025 9:28:09 PM
Pszczyna Team
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No, you clearly know the tactics guys.

I just have one more question, since the interest in BB in Canada appears to have dropped significantly, even moreso than during my time as NT coach.

How do you plan to reengage the community?

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327722.10 in reply to 327722.9
Date: 7/10/2025 9:39:53 PM
V.A.W.T.
II.2
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bb-mails, that's the most effective way to at least get somebody's attention in this game. But even that was something like 10% effective 6 years ago. Forum posts and discords are fine and all, but only a handful take the time to go there in the first place, and even less go back frequently. Having a player on the list of potential future players is definitely the most effective way to engage someone

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327722.11 in reply to 327722.10
Date: 7/10/2025 10:14:18 PM
Pszczyna Team
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Yeah, I don't think discord is effective at all.

Strongly disagree about the forums though.
Posting a scouting lists, scouting assignments, rankings, etc. on the forum when I was NT manager was pretty much the only thing that got people engaged. Seeing your player as third or fourth showed how close you were, and having that updated was showing trajectory as well.

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327722.12 in reply to 327722.11
Date: 7/10/2025 10:39:25 PM
RGUNS
IBL
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Second Team:
Fight4Freedom
you guys dont have discord or a place for all the active managers to hang out? If no, I strongly suggest you guys to create one no matter whoever is selected. Even if just few of you that are active here is fine at the beginning.

To build a strong NT team requires a lot of effort from all the active managers and tbh i dont think its NT coach's responsibility as he should have enough tasks to focus on.

I personally recommend discord as it can have some subgroups for different topics like just chatting about NBA, canada basketball team, your own league etc. plus U21 and NT can have their own sub group to discuess with their helpers

Last edited by Lo Gun at 7/10/2025 10:50:03 PM

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327722.13 in reply to 327722.12
Date: 7/10/2025 11:52:04 PM
Pszczyna Team
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There is a discord, but it isnt active, and won't be until more managers are involved in the game first.

Imho the MAIN job of the NT manager and U21 manager is to get the community active. Results are secondary at first. Without getting more users active, the country has no future anyway. Results are secondary. They won't get better until there are more managers involved and training players.

Last edited by damian13ster at 7/10/2025 11:54:12 PM

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327722.14 in reply to 327722.13
Date: 7/11/2025 12:20:45 AM
RGUNS
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Fight4Freedom
Isee, but I think an active discord can be a starting point(even with just few managers there). I agree with you that results are secondary cos it takes years and tons of resource to train a decent NT player. But what I am trying to say is its difficult to solely rely on NT manager or U21 manager to get the community active. But I believe if they get help from your guys, the chance of success will be higher. Ideally, we should need 4-5 teams to train the NT players if each team trains 3 canadian players with 6+6 trainer. Its difficult but possible.

My main point is we dont need to add the number of active managers or to regrow the number of players in canada (It helps but really difficult). But there are lots of counties with ard 150 active managers that hit top 10 in NT ranking. It might only requires 10-15 active managers to contribute for the NT team. It just requires a place for them to have share the ideas or experience, eg the new training method, meta builds, etc

Last edited by Lo Gun at 7/11/2025 12:23:14 AM

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327722.15 in reply to 327722.11
Date: 7/11/2025 6:28:15 AM
V.A.W.T.
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I'm still not sold on the forums... We don't really know how many read it. Look at Morwood thread last season, he barely got any reply despite something like 4 posts per game! But I agree it's a great way to nudge a few in the right direction by showing where their player stands and create some sort of competition.

And I don't know why it's like that, but I get the feeling that in Canada the main job of the coach IS to engage the community, like you said. Tactics are part of the game, but it's more of an end game, we're not yet at the level where we have to come up with very clever game plans to snatch important victories. When I was in charge the main goal was to get as far as possible in the consolation tournament to get HCA for the next America Cup and get a chance to do something in the semis before losing to the US in the finals

From: Fwinns

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327722.16 in reply to 327722.14
Date: 7/11/2025 6:32:56 AM
V.A.W.T.
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The main issue here is that most guys that train NT players also compete in D1, it's hard to do that when you're training 3 players, even two before they are 28-29yo. We don't have many tanking teams dedicated to NT training, if any. I myself tried that multiple times in the past, but always get caught in the easy d2 promotion

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327722.17 in reply to 327722.5
Date: 7/11/2025 7:54:04 AM
Corntucky Mildcats
II.1
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Second Team:
Winchester Crows
I enjoy the ISO tactics. They have replaced patient for me the cast majority of the time. I enjoy testing them both in PU games with as few variables as possible.

I think they have flexibility but BOTH still need a good SG. You'd be surprised how many shots a SG will get running inside ISO. My theory is it has to do with getting a hot rock. Aka forcing a shot attempt late in the shot clock.

I also think a SF with high IS can exploit the tactic to a decent degree. Especially to counter the 3-2 meta. Opposing SF can have high ID, but many don't.

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Date: 7/11/2025 7:58:32 AM
Corntucky Mildcats
II.1
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Second Team:
Winchester Crows
My plan is to post private YouTube videos where I discuss the state of the NT and answer community questions.

Along with the usual BBmail weekly updates forums and discord stuff.

I also plan on encouraging a referral challenge. One must always be thinking long term/beyond their contract. The more users Canada has, the better.

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