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69685.8 in reply to 69685.7
Date: 1/23/2009 1:16:46 PM
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What specifally do you have in mind? Have a look at my team (24900).
These are the players I plan to focus my training on (7802534), (7783364), (7783379), (7802545)

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69685.9 in reply to 69685.8
Date: 1/23/2009 1:28:58 PM
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tough to say.. as you have 2 PG's and 2 Centres all varying in height.... 3 are star potential and 1 Butler perennial... without knowing the stats maybe Butler is the one to go for.... are the 2 Centres worth anything on the TL ? if so what about selling and then replacing with older guys with more exp?
Then spend all the money you have on 1 more decent guard trainee...

You then have 3 guards.

Butler priority 1 or 2
New guard - priority 1 or 2 then
Queneville priority 3.

Now look at the 1 position training options. You have Passing and Pressure (which improves Outside defence.)

Playing your 2 league games and scrimmage you should get Butler and new guard at or above 48mins in the PG position then hopefully as close to 48 for Queneville.

Doing this for a season I would train Outside defence up to proficient (i would hope or buy a trainee with Mediocre at worst - if they havent got it maybe consider trading up before starting this regime) and also passing up to strong. On weeks the training minutes are tough to juggle you can use PG/SG Jump shot or the 2 position Pressure or passing.

BUT TRY AND STICK TO ONE POSITION TRAINING.

If you are sucessful cashing in your big men and exchanging for older players your guards will soon become more valuable and you can decide to either encash one (most likely Queneville) and then use this money to either strengthen other parts of your squad or re-invest into an even better trainee.... Butler or your old new guy (if that makes sense!) drops to priority 3 and you repeat the process taking the guys up to prominent/prolific OD and Prolifc passing... sell 1 of the 3 etc etc

I would appreciate a contrary option that Kazzam may like to consider by another longer term BB manager....

Good luck in your chosen route!


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69685.10 in reply to 69685.9
Date: 1/23/2009 1:52:35 PM
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Thank you for your advice. What would you suggest if I wanted a team that is inside focus as those shots are higher percentage?




David Butler's skills are : Jump Shot: respectable
Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: average
Handling: inept
Driving: respectable
Passing: average
Inside Shot: inept
Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: pitiful
Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: awful
Free Throw: strong

Experience: atrocious


Phil Hollingworth skills are :
Jump Shot: awful Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: atrocious
Driving: inept Passing: average
Inside Shot: strong ↑ Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: average Free Throw: strong

Experience: atrocious


Mathias Lévesque skills are :
Jump Shot: awful Jump Range: pitiful
Outside Def.: inept Handling: respectable
Driving: respectable Passing: pitiful
Inside Shot: respectable ↑ Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: pitiful Shot Blocking: inept
Stamina: average Free Throw: average

Experience: atrocious


Bill Queneville skills are :
Jump Shot: inept Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: average Handling: awful
Driving: awful Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: inept Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: inept
Stamina: inept Free Throw: inept

Experience: atrocious


Does this change anything to you?

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69685.11 in reply to 69685.7
Date: 1/23/2009 8:48:05 PM
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I support it and GM-Lord of Doom supports it. I am not a seasoned day-trading automaton and I can't answer for Lord of Doom, but he is a GM.

My only anecdotal evidence is that there are three good teams in Thailand. Up to now one trained big men extensively and has monster big men. One trained SG only and has legendary jump shooters. I train this and that and have won titles in 3 of 4 seasons. My aspirations are to have fun and waste time. I couldn't care less whether people are looking down their long Roman noses at me because of that or not.

No one knows yet when players stop improving. I have 24 year olds who continue to improve. Your team didn't get good by astute training. You did it by fortuitous skilltrading, which is how most good managers did it.

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69685.12 in reply to 69685.10
Date: 1/23/2009 10:46:41 PM
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Hollingworth and Butler are the 2 brightest prospects by far.. I leaned towards butler as his potential makes him likely to be the most valuable asset you have.

Levesque's RB at level 2 is simply a no go... that for want of a better word will be like polishing a turd. (sorry to say!) SELL or keep and play but dont expect much from him.

Queneville needs more work than Butler but with him also having good OD and Passing to start he definitely fits the bill so far for a no2 trainee.

Question now is do you cash in on Hollingworth? He is good and should fetch a decent amount to re-invest in a 3rd trainee OR you could play Hollingworth at PF, Butler & Queneville at SF and train 1-1 for a few weeks so they will all benefit from HD/DR and possible JS/IS.

Thanks for sharing the stats - i think you have a promising start with the 2 guards - do whatever you can to find money for a 3rd guy (preferably with as high potential as possible) and train wisely. The OD/PA will prove to be valuable at resale - I am sure of this.

Feel free to BB mail me but again it would be nice to seek another opinion (other than one that supports training 24yo in 3 position or team training!)

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69685.13 in reply to 69685.12
Date: 1/24/2009 12:46:38 AM
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Ha ha ha. Good point!

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69685.14 in reply to 69685.13
Date: 1/24/2009 1:02:34 AM
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As for your comment on rampant daytrading i'd prefer if this was referred to as skilltrading

I was forced to follow another skill trader in Japan otherwise I would have been destined to be the bridesmaid forever and never the bride!

I also don't think I'm that bad at managing minutes! ;-)

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69685.15 in reply to 69685.14
Date: 1/24/2009 3:53:18 AM
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My bad. I'll change it.

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69685.16 in reply to 69685.12
Date: 1/24/2009 4:12:51 PM
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Feel free to BB mail me but again it would be nice to seek another opinion (other than one that supports training 24yo in 3 position or team training!)

I will concur with Superfly for an overall training plan. Also feel free to BB mail me if you have any questions from a Canadian slant.

From: CitB

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69685.17 in reply to 69685.1
Date: 1/24/2009 8:57:30 PM
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there are many ways to be successful in this game, i think you even could use teamtraining (if you able to get 15 young trainees with a lack in a specific skill which you could improve with teamtraining)
back to topic defense isnt all, you have to train both i guess plus the secondary skills
some believe real allrounders are the best, but i think its better to train only skills for the positions in combination with the height.

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69685.18 in reply to 69685.16
Date: 1/25/2009 12:51:12 AM
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Feel free to BB mail me but again it would be nice to seek another opinion (other than one that supports training 24yo in 3 position or team training!)

I will concur with Superfly for an overall training plan. Also feel free to BB mail me if you have any questions from a Canadian slant.


Well thank you sir.. can't ask for a more glowing endorsement.... ive just taken on a mentor so I would act quick if jbm is offering his words of wisdom......

Edit..i meant to say I am now mentoring someone...... although I would also welcome a mentor to improve!!

Last edited by Superfly Guy at 1/25/2009 12:54:12 AM

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