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From: LA-Niko
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9797.8 in reply to 9797.7
Date: 12/12/2007 1:18:38 PM
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I think that TIE ad CT add a great deal of strategy to the game.

I am winning both my cup games and my regular season games and my enthusiasm is at 11. I am heading into the final cup game and I might not need to use CT.

I have been playing TIE during regular season and until my enthusiasm was at 9 I would play normal for the cup games. You will probably lose your regular season games but the advantage is that you do not lose your early cup games.

Once you reach around 9 enthusiasm you can play TIE all the time and most likely win unless you are playing a much stronger team. Once you are at 11 enthusiasm you can probably still have a chance against a much stronger team.

However this whole strategy is about to be changed as the BBs are bringing in a new enthusiasm formula for games so it could kill this idea completely.

Creator of (http://www.buzzerbeaterstats.com) and (http://www.buzzerbeaternews.com/) -- Ex GM of Australia -- Division 1 winner of Italy Season 1 then moved team to Australia after the country was created by the BBs. Australian team manager for 2 seasons. Won various tournaments and division 1 titles in the following seasons.
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9797.9 in reply to 9797.8
Date: 12/12/2007 4:01:16 PM
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There is no strategy in using TIE, tanking games, only to be a team in 1 game because you decided an 8 or 9 enthusiasm was good for a game. There is no penalty in using it and the penalty for TIEing is going to be lessened therefore creating a better advantage in TIE as it pertains to overal attitude.

The real strategy comes in managing your minutes and creating a matchup to take advantage of.

If the NBBA is tired of losing to teams of rookies, then why are they not commenting on losing to a team of rookies who happened to throw every match they had until they played them in a cup match that mattered?

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9797.10 in reply to 9797.9
Date: 12/12/2007 4:06:55 PM
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I lost in the 1st round of the Cup, so I'm not the best one to ask.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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9797.11 in reply to 9797.6
Date: 12/12/2007 4:19:47 PM
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Well then the problem doesn't lie with the after effects of CT and TIE. It's more the term 'Enthusiasm'.

Change the name 'Enthusiasm' to something that's more related to TIE and CT. Make it like a factor that effects your gameshape or performance. You can even make it % wise.

Example:
100% = neutral
play a TIE and it drops 10% for that game and rises the next games by 5%.
Play a CT and it raises 10% for that game. And drops 30% for the next games.

There is no link between the terms 'CT/TIE' and 'Enthusiasm'.

Edited by Riceball (12/12/2007 4:25:36 PM CET)

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 12/12/2007 4:25:36 PM

From: brian
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9797.12 in reply to 9797.9
Date: 12/12/2007 4:45:08 PM
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The current use of enthusiasm seems unreleastic. Do coaches regularly tell their teams to go out and take it easy cause the opponent is weak or because the game doesn't matter? Mostly, there just seems to be so much enthusiasm posturing that it affects having competitive games.

Though, I'm interested in seeing how the upcoming changes play out.

"Well, no ones gonna top that." - http://tinyurl.com/noigttt
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9797.14 in reply to 9797.13
Date: 12/12/2007 5:15:38 PM
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Yes, for 1 game, but not with the % i just suggested though. That was just an example.

It's realistic to save energy on one game to perform better on the next game. Saving energy on 4 games in a row to perform well on one particular game isn't. There has to be some kind of limit on how much you can preserve.

Edited by Riceball (12/12/2007 5:18:00 PM CET)

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 12/12/2007 5:18:00 PM

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9797.15 in reply to 9797.14
Date: 12/12/2007 5:56:48 PM
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I would add that if you TIE, you should take a training hit as well.

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9797.16 in reply to 9797.15
Date: 12/12/2007 7:45:16 PM
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I really think the current system is working well and there is no need for making more negatives to using TIE than there already is.

If you have a good team TIE is absolutely about strategy especially in the top leagues.

I am winning games playing TIE consistently. Only when I face extreme opposition (for example the final of the Tournament) will I put Normal or CT. I lose very infrequently and do not need to play normal to beat the majority of other teams.

From what I can gather the effect of Enthusiasm on games will decrease which means that playing TIE in the long term will be less effective and you will just lose the games. Enthusiasm will also drop faster which makes it worse because not only will it be less important it will become impossible to win playing TIE and it will only last a short time.

Creator of (http://www.buzzerbeaterstats.com) and (http://www.buzzerbeaternews.com/) -- Ex GM of Australia -- Division 1 winner of Italy Season 1 then moved team to Australia after the country was created by the BBs. Australian team manager for 2 seasons. Won various tournaments and division 1 titles in the following seasons.
From: JayP

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9797.17 in reply to 9797.16
Date: 12/12/2007 7:55:24 PM
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The thing that bugs me about the entusiasm system as it is now, is that it reduces the play-offs into something resembling a game of rock-paper-scissor.

When planning a play-off run, team strength and tactical decisions take a back seat to enthusiasm management. You basically know that TIE will lose to normal, normal will lose to CT, and CT will lose you your next game. Thus it becomes guessing what the other team will throw out and trying to beat it.

From: LA-Niko

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9797.18 in reply to 9797.17
Date: 12/12/2007 7:59:29 PM
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That is strategy then isn't it?

You are guessing what strategy your opponent is using.

And I will just clarify one thing TIE can and does beat Normal if you have high enough Enthusiasm. And it can beat CT if the opposition doesn't have high enthusiasm.

There are a lot of factors in this game. Enthusiasm is just one of them. If I play TIE and expect to win I have to use tactical guesses.

Half the trick of winning is to fool your opposition into using the wrong defense and guess what they are planning to use for offense.

Creator of (http://www.buzzerbeaterstats.com) and (http://www.buzzerbeaternews.com/) -- Ex GM of Australia -- Division 1 winner of Italy Season 1 then moved team to Australia after the country was created by the BBs. Australian team manager for 2 seasons. Won various tournaments and division 1 titles in the following seasons.
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