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From: Rycka
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on topic. if you still feel that this needs to be fixed, even if it isn't broken, how about just giving one relegation game for 6th and 7th place instead of a series until 2 wins?

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on topic. if you still feel that this needs to be fixed, even if it isn't broken, how about just giving one relegation game for 6th and 7th place instead of a series until 2 wins?


I think that makes it way too harsh for 6th and 7th. Too many people will be unluckily relegating.

Simply having no salary to pay during the offseason would solve all these problems.

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Simply having no salary to pay during the offseason would solve all these problems.


woudn't it be more of a bonus for finishing 5th not 4th? 4th place if they lost first po game would be in disadvantage, wouldn't it?

unless you mean that all 8 teams would have no salary to pay in offseason. but would it be logical? all season you have to pay, and when its time for most important matches, your players are playing for free.

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From: CrazyEye

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unless you mean that all 8 teams would have no salary to pay in offseason. but would it be logical? all season you have to pay, and when its time for most important matches, your players are playing for free.


and it wouldn't change anything, but probadly he mean that you don't pay salary when you are finished with your regular games.

From: Rycka

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and it wouldn't change anything, but probadly he mean that you don't pay salary when you are finished with your regular games.


what do you consider "regular" games. if a team is in finals, so the other teams which are not do not pay salary's? what advantage you get instead of promotion then?

From: CrazyEye

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and it wouldn't change anything, but probadly he mean that you don't pay salary when you are finished with your regular games.


what do you consider "regular" games. if a team is in finals, so the other teams which are not do not pay salary's? what advantage you get instead of promotion then?


extra mins for training, a better fan survey for next season and the Chanche for promotion and it shouldn't be an instant handicap.

From: Rycka

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extra mins for training


does it really pays off considering you dont have to pay 500k salarys? (1st league).

a better fan survey for next season


this allready is implemented, but people think it's worthless.

From: CrazyEye

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does it really pays off considering you dont have to pay 500k salarys? (1st league).


for many leagues it pays of, but don't forget you still have income to pay your salary. So also a little bonus is a bonus.

this allready is implemented, but people think it's worthless.


i think the people consider it as not big enough, or to bad to catch - but it is still a bit extra money.

In the end, the actual cost should be pretty neutral, so if you don't play the playoff you probadly have a comparable amount of money in the end then someone is playing the PO or relegation - but you have still a bunce of advantages and hopefully the ambition to play succesful(and not to play unsuccesful to get an instant advantage)

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Date: 9/25/2010 4:35:59 PM
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Simply having no salary to pay during the offseason would solve all these problems.

Comon guys, no salary for offseason is not an option. I can buy great players (200k+ salary) just before the playoffs. Even if I fail to win my first PO game, no harm done, no salary to uphold. I can sell those players before the next season starts without having any fear of actually paying those salarys.
Best solution would be, playing one game for relegation, with scrimmage attendance income. Everyone should know that there are 14 weeks in a season. There are 11 home games with income. Cup and PO games are ment as a bonus (meaning you should not count on them while making plans for the next season).

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Date: 9/26/2010 5:22:40 AM
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I agree that no salary to pay in post season is not a good solution

However,The point is not diminuish the incomes of the 6th and 7th teams,but raise the incomes of the 3rd-4th-5th-8th team during this period of time,because is a general problem to pay salaries during this period,and especially for 3rd-4th-5th and 8th teams suffer because they have less o zero incomes during this period

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Date: 9/26/2010 12:56:17 PM
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You can't base your argument on the fact that it is a general problem to pay for the salaries during this period. If you can't pay for the salaries, it's not a game design problem, it's a managerial problem. Even if you finish top table, you can lose your first PO game and 'lose scheduled income'. A thoughtful manager must be prepared to face this situation.

It should be a managerial decision to choose to take financial risks, you'll reap on the rewards if you succeed and face the consequences, if you fail. It's fairly easy to calculate roughly income and expenses for a season of 14 weeks. As it was already pointed out before, the problem is the baseline weekly economy which is misleading and a trap where noobs are destined to fall in on their first season.

That said, that the 6th place could be more attractive than the 5th is a game problem. I don't have any good suggestion myself to correct that. Financial awards for final classification could be one but to make it attractive would require to inject insane loads of money which is a definite no :D Unless a large overhaul of BB economy... and I suspect it's not in the cards.

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