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Restated without emotion:

In my opinion, BB teams are handed MORE of a silver platter and with the influx of players, they are given a silver spoon at a lower cost.

Hattrick should stop being compared to BB. But tons or HT's are coming to BB because it is new and they have a chance to be like the Tombstone Titans or the Kansas City Wizards. Stogey23 had a nice run here (and some mired success in HT), but the masses want to kick the top dog off the mountain. Don't hate the player and don't hate their motives.

It a randomly generated game. While I agree with the maturity of the game is best, I disagree with the speed. There are other aspect of the game that can be addressed instead of this because the user base hasn't matured. Once that happens - any change that comes with it isn't met with such resistance.

Edited by Manhantan Beach (11/28/2007 8:54:33 PM CET)

Last edited by Manhantan Beach at 11/28/2007 8:54:33 PM

If you are referring to the title name. It's a Statement for a debate. What other title can you give?

And

We think the model we have is a better long term solution than in other games, but
for it to function properly, it also needs to have a certain level of maturity in many respects - which is something that is currently not the case. If the situation is left to continue then the gap between the levels will just increase as the top teams have more resources to outbid anyone and everyone. As players on the market are much the same at the moment, the net effect is that poorer teams can only afford players that are pretty awful and not much better ( if at all ) than those they have, and the richer teams will buy anything that's trainable or less crappy than the absolute minimum offers on the market.

Means that they are aware that the problem might exist., that i described, more or less.

It's true that the money of the top teams are gone forever, but what does it really matter to them? According to some of the NBBA teams they make between 400k-700k a week. He could earn that money within weeks... money that the smaller teams have to sell their players for in order to have a chance at that bot player. Maybe wait a couple of tv games.

Quoting valid counter arguments is one thing. (They are indeed good arguments. ) Proving that i was typing gibberish is another thing though.
As i see, more or less, are finding this a bad feature. Some find it a wonderful feature, mostly the high division players.

[edit] look at manhattan beach and jproch posts.



Edited by Riceball (11/28/2007 8:50:18 PM CET)

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 11/28/2007 8:50:18 PM

So is the basic problem right now that NBBA and other division one teams make a lot of money, but there aren't any top skill players will top salaries to consume those profits?

Steve

As i recall he made about 350k. Maybe i missed that, but do recall that someone asked him in the arena thread what he made with that arena he had. The answer was in the 300k-ish.

Which is still a huge amount compared to the div 3+... somecan barely get their initial arena filled. Let alone generate 400k to buy a resp. player.

Edited by Riceball (11/28/2007 8:54:47 PM CET)

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 11/28/2007 8:54:47 PM

Personally as a Div III manager I think the faster the game reaches a mature state the better it will be for the majority of players.

As a fellow Div III manager, I agree 100%.

Then go back to the NBBA forum where he said he made 1 million in a week. There is some valid merit to what is being said. I want to focus on the speed of the game instead of the income. There is no complaint in how much money he makes or spends. It just identifies what we already know - if you are on top of the mountain, you get the biggest rewards.

You are coming in way too late guy - noone is saying BB should be level. The issue this: why not let time (in a game that is in an infant stage) be the guide grow and let the levels materialize?

This issue is pretty different from what most of this thread is about, the majority of posts are in the vein of "there will be a huge advantage for top teams" which I read as "woe is me, I'm not a top team".

I think the BBs have given several good reasons why they're not waiting, mostly the fact that the tops teams are making lots of cash and have nothing to spend it on, leaving nothing left for the lower teams.

Further, these changes are dictated to us just like in any other game. Your say was just as much as mine - zero.

What's your point here? I'm not being an ass, I just don't get the point.

Hattrick should stop being compared to BB. But tons or HT's are coming to BB because it is new and they have a chance to be like the Tombstone Titans or the Kansas City Wizards. Stogey23 had a nice run here (and some mired success in HT), but the masses want to kick the top dog off the mountain.

It should continued to be compared to HT so the mistakes that were made there (and ignored) for so long won't be repeated here.

Don't hate the player and don't hate their motives.

I'm not. I have no grudge against anyone in a higher division than me, I welcome the challenge.

In my opinion, BB teams are handed MORE of a silver platter and with the influx of players, they are given a silver spoon at a lower cost. Are you following me yet?

No, I'm not following you at all. When you start up in HT, so many of the decisions are basically made for you in terms of economics, there are established strategies and guide for newbs (hell, they even have a new manager test!). It's hard to start out, but there is no real danger of going bankrupt. I think it takes far more skill to be a BB manager right now, because so much is uncharted territory, especially in terms of the economy.

It a randomly generated game. Yet is it undoubtedly frustrating if you put time and energy into something and you see an advantage that in some peoples eyes actually levels the playing field more.

Again, I'm not sure what you mean here. I agree with the change, I don't care if the playing field is level. I will overcome disadvantages.

I think you should reread the posts - ALL 70 of them and then ask yourself what is the real issue. Then reread what the BB's sumarized.

I did read them all, unfortunately. From what I can see the real issue is that everyone is a junior economics major and everyone is thinking short, not long term.

We know there is no way in heck a Div I team should lose in the first round of a cup to a Div V bot. But it happened and yet I should hope with the bank loads they have, they are already in a position not to let that happen.

There is definitely a way: the div I team is a bad manager! Just because they're there doesn't mean they know what they're doing, this game is so new some people are still there due their sign up date.

you like a challenge, you can bring your team to my house anytime. I will even leave the light on. I wont complain, but should you lose, you shouldn't either.

I'd love to play you, maybe we'll meet up in the cup. And I hope the lights are on, because it'll be hard for my guys to drain 3s if they're not.

Edit: didn't see you edited your post until after I typed this.

Edited by nickfox45 (11/28/2007 9:02:06 PM CET)

Last edited by nickfox45 at 11/28/2007 9:02:06 PM

hmm.. weird.. i thought new teams would get completely new generated players. Or was it just a bug.

I think this is the underlying issue and it can only be improved with time. The problem is that by artificially trying to get these top skill players to the top teams sooner it can leave teams behind that might be almost as good, but just not in the top division.

It might not be completely fair but I think it's better to get the heirarchy sorted out sooner rather than later. I think that with vertical compression and good management most of the lower Div. teams that are upset will be at or near the top soon anyway so the disadvantage is not that great.

It was a bug.