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122310.81 in reply to 122310.79
Date: 12/15/2009 11:00:52 PM
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yes, the voters chose you 3 straight times. bob marley said you can fool some of the people sometimes, but you've fooled enough of those poeple all the time.

you have a different take on how you performed in the national team than i did, and we aren't in any danger of agreeing anytime soon.

my positon stands, over 6 seasons your leadership can be termed a failure, and you can call me selfish, but running 3 times, and doing worse each time, well that is truly a spectacular selfish feat.

im done discussing you though, so if you want the last word go for it.

i'd like to talk more about the things i would do differently, so if users have substantive questions feel free to ask away. thanks.


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122310.82 in reply to 122310.81
Date: 12/15/2009 11:08:22 PM
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Hard to ask legit questions with all your mudslinging.

I'm a little disappointed Janitor dropped off he would have been interesting to hear more of.


Gunner, Juice and Coco have worked hard to get people to help them with the team and at times activity can be kind of sparse. How will you increase activity, and keep interest of those who have already put a helping hand forward to help a coach that you now openly mock.

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122310.83 in reply to 122310.81
Date: 12/15/2009 11:08:32 PM
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yes, the voters chose you 3 straight times.


4, but again, I'd expect someone so well-versed in the NT to know that.

bob marley said you can fool some of the people sometimes, but you've fooled enough of those poeple all the time.


Guess what USA community, you were FOOLED! But hey, calling the electorate stupid is a fantastic way to win an election.

you have a different take on how you performed in the national team than i did, and we aren't in any danger of agreeing anytime soon.


Nor, do I suspect, are you in danger of having most of the community agree with you either.

my positon stands, over 6 seasons your leadership can be termed a failure, and you can call me selfish, but running 3 times, and doing worse each time, well that is truly a spectacular selfish feat.


Yet the voters wanted me to continue (and some wanted me to continue on now).

In real life we improved our standing from the 1st Worlds to the 2nd Worlds, and then again to the 3rd Worlds, and then slightly fell off this past season. You are an outright liar if you're saying we did worse each time.

Not only did we do well in the Worlds, you were prevented from ruining the team by being at the controls. I call that a very successful campaign.

i'd like to talk more about the things i would do differently


We've been waiting for that for several elections now.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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122310.85 in reply to 122310.84
Date: 12/16/2009 12:37:08 AM
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Okay, I suggest that we leave the (civil but at this point tired) flame war behind.


I agree - our positions should be crystal clear by now.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
From: Sig Skye

To: Coco
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122310.86 in reply to 122310.19
Date: 12/16/2009 1:55:31 AM
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Nice, nice, election times rolls around and there's a chance to hear some new voices.

I suggest that TUG do his homework, and run, maybe, in 2084


With all due respect to the opinion you have - leave it at home. This is a debate thread, not an opinion thread for you to beat down on him.

This is not to say I agree with him, but rather to say your 2084 comment is not necessary in the NT debate thread.

Lets focus on our new coach and not the opinion you have shall we?

Please note that with you and JP not involved for the next few seasons - this will be a ground breaking time. lets allow all candidates to put their best foot forward.

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122310.87 in reply to 122310.80
Date: 12/16/2009 2:01:21 AM
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It's not about Juice. It's about you and wozz and Azariah and about how both of those guys have proven to care more than you.


In the end, this is how it is.

I'm not running, yet TUG's focus is on me and what I've done.

::shrug::


You have to admit whether his premise is right or wrong. It seems this candidate is hand picked. Fair or unfair even Vice Presidents get picked for terms that last much shorter than their original leaders.

No one can out do the job you have done - lets leave the legacy intact shall we - you don't need to say a word and your better off letting it go... atleast I have more respect for you that way.


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122310.88 in reply to 122310.81
Date: 12/16/2009 2:04:51 AM
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yes, the voters chose you 3 straight times. bob marley said you can fool some of the people sometimes, but you've fooled enough of those poeple all the time.

you have a different take on how you performed in the national team than i did, and we aren't in any danger of agreeing anytime soon.

my positon stands, over 6 seasons your leadership can be termed a failure, and you can call me selfish, but running 3 times, and doing worse each time, well that is truly a spectacular selfish feat.

im done discussing you though, so if you want the last word go for it.

i'd like to talk more about the things i would do differently, so if users have substantive questions feel free to ask away. thanks.


Come back above board so you can actually show you should be taken serous for a NT job from a 10 ten population country!

From: wozzvt

To: Coco
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122310.89 in reply to 122310.84
Date: 12/16/2009 8:09:30 AM
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Ah, real questions! There's a lot of ways to answer this one...

For skill distributions, I'd say there are a few tiers. The top tier would be JS, OD and passing--they're essential. With the defensive changes coming in, the OD is even more important, since it gives us the flexibility to put a good defensive PG on their SG. Tier 2 would be JR and handling. I don't like completely abandoning JR at the PG position, but it's one of the ones that will depend a lot on the offensive tactics. After that, I consider driving, IS and ID nice to have, but not critical. I should add, I think these are all reasonably important for SGs, but for PG I'd rather have the others maxed out.

Of course, the problem here is that it depends a lot on the tactics. The handling/passing balance depends on the tempo, JR/IS depend on the shot focus, etc. I put JS, OD and passing at the top because there's no way to game plan around them.

Also, I don't think we're as far behind at PG as you think. PG salaries are heavily dominated by passing, followed by OD and handling, so a lot of these PG monsters are guys that have just insane passing. For example, Italy's PG (Nicoli) put up a 15.0 rating in the final. Qu is a consistent 14-14.5 guy. If he had 2-3 more passing pops, he'd be a 100k+ PG, but I'm not sure we'd see tremendous returns on that (especially if it came at the expense of 2-3 JS pops). Granted, guys like Lizaranzu (Spain) are at a different level than that, but Italy proved you can win without that.

From: FatCurry

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122310.90 in reply to 122310.84
Date: 12/16/2009 8:39:22 AM
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Willis Lundy ;) (Sick of hearing that name yet?)

From: Azariah

To: Coco
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122310.91 in reply to 122310.84
Date: 12/16/2009 8:58:04 AM
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Okay, I suggest that we leave the (civil but at this point tired) flame war behind.

I asked the candidates: how you plan to solve our PG situation (we have good but not star caliber options)?

What I want is not the name of a player, but an ideal (e.g. skill weights: how would you distribute points percentagewise among the 10 skills before the last line on a PG).



I'd be looking for a PG with OD, JS, and PA roughly equal -- JS maybe slightly behind. Enough JR to have some range, but not a huge amount (say 7-10ish). HN and DV should be similar and within a couple levels of the OD/JS/PA skills. For an Ideal Point Guard, RB and ID would need to be better than zippo ... say at least 5 for each, preferably more. IS and SB would be low priority.

I know your question was excluding the last line, but I'd also say that FT of at least 7+ would be strongly preferred on my Ideal Point Guard (and most of my players) as well.

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