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You are rejecting that other users have the right to evaluate players differently than you that's the problem. Martket is evolving and prices are not stable. Different teams have different needs, different structure and values different things differently.

You have a player worth about 1mil and you keep him listed at 2mil constantly, hoping some dumbo might bid on him.

I certainly don't. You should appologize.

If you do not want to sell your player do not list him

It is allowed by the rules so why I shouldn't list any player I want? As the players is mine at the time, I have every right to reveal his skills this way if I want. I don't use it that way but I can imagine situations where it could be useful (and wouldn't have any realtion to transfer). This game provides more than one way to success and I don't think unnecessary limitation reducing diversity of possible moves in the game should be added at all.

1 million is relatively small differnec in certain players, if we rule out a bit useless oplayers who could be sold at 1M at best.

Most importantly - manual is at times not updated, few important things were announced by news only (now lost). If I was a newbie putting a player market with a bit optimistic price and would be taxed for that as a surprise (no matter whether I could read about somewhere or not, people regularly ask about basic things) it would be very dissapointing. I'm afraid such a feature would make new users "mortality" higher than it is now which I'm sure is not in Buzzerbeaters interest. And I know myself I would think twice whether I want to paly a game which wants me to know specific correct value of a player before listing him on TL - because otherwise I would make a suboptimal move hurting my team more or less. Excluding that with changing prices such a thing is impossible and with dvelopped players even experinced managers like for example Crazy-Eye are not confident waht the price range of particular players are. This would change the market, change the perception of the game for questionable benefits at best.

You have a player worth about 1mil and you keep him listed at 2mil constantly, hoping some dumbo might bid on him.

This was not about you... it was an example.

This game provides more than one way to success and I don't think unnecessary limitation reducing diversity of possible moves in the game should be added at all.

So you are saying taxing daytraders is wrong aswell? If you want to let people know about your players skills, why not bb-mail them.

1 million is relatively small differnec in certain players

Do you even understand what an example is?

a bit optimistic price

What is your understanding of a bit optimistic price? BTW if you had read this suggestion thoroughly you would have known that I suggested keeping newbies free of tax for the duration of 50k bonus weeks.

specific correct value

You are making this look like if you do not exactly hit the mark you will die horrible death of bankrupcy. Comon now. If you are uncertain of the player value, list him at the lower end of TPE, if you do not have TPE, make a transfer list search with similar skills, find player that has been bid on and list him at that price or little below. Your game is not over when you do not receive absolute maximum price or a bit over for your player. This tax does not touch players listed for correct value or lower (as those players will be bid on). What do you recon is the average listing value? 300k, 500k, 1mil? Even if it would be at 1mil, 10k tax will hardly bankrupt anyone. Doing this over and over again (2 times a week for 2 months) makes it roughly 160k tax. That's enough to prevent someone from fishing.
I think a new player will rather quit after knowing he blew all his first season earnings on a crappy player. He will not quit because of this small tax that will probably not even influence him.

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/2/2010 6:41:15 PM

I admire your persistence but there are bigger concerns on the transfer list right now.

What do you do about nations that see a rival NT player on the list and then conspire to make sure that someone in their country buys him and then over/under plays him so that his GS drops?

What do you do about departing teams that legitimately buy a player before they leave so that they can assist their NT?

I've said my part here there are many reasons (within the rules) and I am satisfied that the perennial sellers that you feel list above market rates with the clear intention to fleece a noob have appropriate action taken on them. (by the policing of the transfer list by players such as you and I).

If there were no cheaters in this game we would not need to report anything. There were a lot of cheaters in Estonia for example. Now that we have got rid of most of the multimanagers and money transferers, it's time to move on to click fishers and overpricers. It would help to lessen GM work considerably.

But your suggestion doesn’t solve this problem at all.
Even if this two teams put the player on TL for right price (f.e. 1M), they can arrange transfer for much higher price (f.e. 5M) as overpriced.

I admire persistency even if you read too many arguments against your suggestion (included opinions of top managers like SuperflyGuy or CrazyEye). But unfortunately I have to say you are not able to listen in arguments of the others. There is hardly any argument you have accepted.

It's all about you don't want to see overpriced players. But the system is not designed like that and I think BBs don't matter it. Maybe next you will come with canceling of starting price and putting all players at $1 and market makes the prices (then there were no overpriced players without bid, except these whose are not work even $1).

Last edited by rwystyrk at 5/4/2010 8:59:49 AM

Even if this two teams put the player on TL for right price (f.e. 1M), they can arrange transfer for much higher price (f.e. 5M) as overpriced.

Like many of the "arguments" here this has nothing to do with my suggestion, it would be actually nice if you would understand what I am proposing here. You are talking about blatant cheating and money transfer between teams.
I think I have made my case here. It's all up to BB's to decide. Only they have the info to back my suggestion up or to discard it.

Like many of the "arguments" here this has nothing to do with my suggestion, it would be actually nice if you would understand what I am proposing here. You are talking about blatant cheating and money transfer between teams.

Not me, but you. I was only reacting on your message. So than I don't understand why you put this sentence to this forum if it's not your argument.

I think I have made my case here. It's all up to BB's to decide. Only they have the info to back my suggestion up or to discard it.

But maybe you should rename your suggestion. Because your original requirement sound for me "I don't want to see overpriced players at TL." And this is the issue, whether BB-staff agree or disagree with it. And if they agree there are different ways how to achieve this. Even if I hope they disagree.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 5/4/2010 10:57:28 AM

I'm going to explain this to you again...

Even if this two teams put the player on TL for right price (f.e. 1M), they can arrange transfer for much higher price (f.e. 5M) as overpriced.

I am talking about teams that list their player high. These players look for one bid. Usually their players do not get sold, but they keep them listed constantly. They would not win anything if they list at correct price and let their friend bid it up -> why? because if noone else bids on that player his friend just loses money and the point of getting the player price high get's lost.
So please do not try to change my suggestion into something that it is not. My suggestion is concentrated on these high listers only. Catching money transfer multimanagers and band of money transfer managers is a whole other matter and they have a pattern you can monitor and convict on. If you want you can create your own suggestion for their taxation or whatever.
If you still did not understand what this suggestion is about then drop me a bb-mail.

I am talking about teams that list their player high. These players look for one bid. Usually their players do not get sold, but they keep them listed constantly. They would not win anything if they list at correct price and let their friend bid it up -> why? because if noone else bids on that player his friend just loses money and the point of getting the player price high get's lost.

Im following this conversation and still think that tax for not-sold player isnt a good idea. However sounds reasonable to me if there would be aditional disadvantage for "constant listers". Something like if player is putted on TL more than 3 times in a month, his GS will drop down.

The main reason why not aditional financial penalty is for me still the same - managers which develop unusual players would be penalised just because they are waiting for someone who understand an demand for unusual skills. The ones who could understand that, are not only beyond these, which are tracking TL all day long...

I am talking about teams that list their player high. These players look for one bid. Usually their players do not get sold, but they keep them listed constantly. They would not win anything if they list at correct price and let their friend bid it up -> why? because if noone else bids on that player his friend just loses money and the point of getting the player price high get's lost.

Im following this conversation and still think that tax for not-sold player isnt a good idea. However sounds reasonable to me if there would be aditional disadvantage for "constant listers". Something like if player is putted on TL more than 3 times in a month, his GS will drop down.

The main reason why not aditional financial penalty is for me still the same - managers which develop unusual players would be penalised just because they are waiting for someone who understand an demand for unusual skills. The ones who could understand that, are not only beyond these, which are tracking TL all day long...

or he los 5% of his home game income ;) This strategy isn't for free today.

I know, thats why I understand current penalty as a way too much... even rationally - why should be fans upset by listing of any player, while they know that he wasnt sold? And player itself doesnt give a ... about it.

Those team are penalized by worse fan survey i.e. a bit worse income. Only one LA fails to see that and wants their blood.