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285648.81 in reply to 285648.60
Date: 5/3/2017 6:59:49 PM
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What?!?!?! Did you said...

There will be haters.



After this...?


Messi? I didn't saw him tonight, maybe tomorrow? I guess not..

I just saw pure magic in the UCL. There will be haters.


Really?

I mean that "I didn't saw him tonight..." might be the worst argument ever in football's discusions history. You did lost all your "credibility" by writting that.

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Date: 5/3/2017 7:51:22 PM
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Sry, its forbidden to notice to Barca fans that their club and Messi didn't play the UCL any more. My bad.

This is where we hold them!
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Date: 5/3/2017 8:25:15 PM
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You have said it yourself, the arm has to move towards the ball, when clearly Carvajal's arm goes backwards. One of us is blinded.
Nah you misunderstand or went for the straw man again. In order to be accidental, a hand ball needs to be very close (not the case with Carvajal) and the arm needs to be in a natural position or motion. The moment Carvajal recalls the arm and hits the ball with it there is nothing natural about the action. Yes he was trying to hide his arm, but he couldn't and stopped the ball with it. Trying to make the play with the chest and trying to hide the arm do not cancel the handball and do not cancel the fact that he decided to move the arm there to stop the ball. If it was a matter of a handball being intentional beyond reasonable doubt, nobody would give penalties except against players blatantly stopping the ball with their hand.

It's you own interpretation, because how many games against good teams has Morata played this season? How many? How many goals Morata has scored since the start of his career?
This is a fair point but not a very strong one. You are implying that given more opportunities to start he would not score as much (which in the league is more than Ronaldo and this is a fact), but there is a key problem with that: there is no proof this would happen either. It's just pure speculation until you start him in those 'harder' games and see what happens. It's the same problem you have guys with saying that Westbrook teammates are rubbish. People say that mostly to make Westbrook look better, but you can't possibly know how much worse his team would look like with another NBA PG.

How many goals Morata has scored since the start of his career? He plays less that Ronaldo? So according you he should play more and then he will score more than Ronaldo.
There is only one fact in all of this and you won't be able to get around it. Morata has scored more goal per minute than Ronaldo has in the Liga this season. Maybe it's a fluke, but maybe not. Also Morata is 24 while Ronaldo is 32, so comparing the 2 the way you're asking, it's like asking to compare Anthony Davis to LeBron.

Morata was good enough to start for Juventus in Italy, where he won more titles than Ronaldo managed in Spain so far. Real Madrid demanded him back and paid 1.5x to Juventus more than Juventus paid for him and with the money they bought Higuain. His former teammates (plus Higuain) just finished brushing aside the famed Monaco offense without taking any goal.

By the way, just comparing Morata to Ronaldo is the proof your knowledge about football is very limited.
Yes yes, my knowledge is limited because I state a verifiable fact (Morata has a higher scoring average) and you are Grady Fuson.

Why do you think there are so many debates about Messi and Ronaldo?
There are because of Ronaldo's fans. The casual person just looking at the success, both individual and team-wide would not understand what the fuss is about since one is superior in almost everything. It's pretty much like comparing Jordan and Kobe. The only area where Ronaldo beats Messi is with the national team, but unfortunately for him that achievement will always be slightly tainted, as his 'rubbish teammates who always drag him down' managed just fine without him and took the trophy home. Messi is an Olympic champion although that isn't comparable to a Euro championship.

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Date: 5/3/2017 8:55:51 PM
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So here are the arguments in favour of Ronaldo:
1) Using facts and cumulative stats and awards (mostly by a bunch of french journalists') is partial
2) You need to use things perceived when evaluating, not facts. In particular, things 'which can't be measured (ex. charisma)'
3) You should account for 'winning goals' and 'points earned per goal or assist' . Amidst that rant, there was a decent idea, but I guarantee you that Ronaldo will look even worse than Messi like this, since he is very streaky (this would devalue a lot of second and third goals he's had: example, you'd count 1 valuable goal instead of 3 for the match against Atletico).
4) Purely talent-wise we have seen higher peaks in the last 20ish years.. Yikes. Give us the names, mate. Lapadula? Balotelli? Oh yes, Ronaldo (Luiz Nazario da Lima), Ronaldinho, Baggio or Zidane? Sorry, I've seen them all playing too and I'm sorry but no, there are no players except Maradona that you should take over these 2 in the last 40 years, including Cruyff, Beckenbauer and Platini.

And yes, as you can see from the time of this post that I'm awake: I'm watching LeBron carrying yet more guys to the ECF. Westbrook's supporters would say he's carrying another lottery team to the Finals. You wouldn't know it, but most people think I'm also a LeBron hater, when in reality I'm more simply a LeBron fanboys' hater. A bit like it goes for Ronaldo and his weird fans...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/3/2017 8:59:42 PM

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Date: 5/10/2017 4:51:34 PM
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But who would win in a game of Badminton, Lebron or Messi?


Benny the bull, for sure!

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Date: 5/18/2017 6:51:36 AM
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Are you getting payed to spread hate against Ronaldo?
I did some fast reading and you got about half of the words on this thread eheh. Of course your free to express your opinion as you want, just surprised with so much writing just to say Ronaldo is bad.
And yes I'm Portuguese, and I obviously prefer Ronaldo ahah. Well, and you can say thats just because I'm portuguese (maybe it is), but I really prefer his playstyle.
He is a more balanced player and a hard worker - he is a winner like Lebron, he works to win.

p.s- we can say messi is like isiah thomas ahahah

Last edited by Melo9 at 5/18/2017 6:51:56 AM

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